I bought this a few years ago but it didnt have a tag of Lemuriophoenix...no secrets...It had a tag of Marojejya sp....Ive asked before is it really a Lemur, and Im putting this out there for folks with Lemurs of the same size or larger ( my leaf only 4 ft) to look and respond if you think, "yes this is certainly a Lemur...As the heading says , the new leaf is "always Green"....apart from that ,I see it very similar but different to Lemur...Look fwd to all the Lemur growers comments...Many thanks..Pete

Maybe its like the extra rare green leafed Chambeyronia?

Maybe its like the extra rare green leafed Chambeyronia?

somerhing of interest Bill is this is faster than the Lemur i planted at same time and same size,it also has the "smoothest and shiniest" petioles, the other is "Nowhere as smooth and shiny" I look fwd to more comments. "Im all ears Kim and Tim, love to hear your thoughts. Pete

Maybe its like the extra rare green leafed Chambeyronia?

I got one of those! Trade ya 100 red-leaf forms for it.

Pete, so you can grow lemurs?! You really DO live in some kinda palm paradise! What is the lowest temp a lemur can take? I am thinking you get colder than me, Pete, so now you have me thinking I should try a couple... I thought they were super tropical

Pete, so you can grow lemurs?! You really DO live in some kinda palm paradise! What is the lowest temp a lemur can take? I am thinking you get colder than me, Pete, so now you have me thinking I should try a couple... I thought they were super tropical

Has nothing to do with temp's. Let me save you from blowing your hard earned pennies, don't waste your money, it's a no-grow here.

Pete, so you can grow lemurs?! You really DO live in some kinda palm paradise! What is the lowest temp a lemur can take? I am thinking you get colder than me, Pete, so now you have me thinking I should try a couple... I thought they were super tropical

Has nothing to do with temp's. Let me save you from blowing your hard earned pennies, don't waste your money, it's a no-grow here.

I thank you for the advise, but what's our limiting factor/factors, Jeff? I may come off naive but if my soil's up to par, my light exposure and water requirements are correct, then what else am I missing? I know they can live inside a greenhouse, here. My Copernicia cowellii and Actinokentia divaricata are growing... I saw a healthy Joey(in the ground) in the Grove, the other day. I appreciate all the advice you have to share, Jeff. You are the one who set me straight with Mauritia

Pete, so you can grow lemurs?! You really DO live in some kinda palm paradise! What is the lowest temp a lemur can take? I am thinking you get colder than me, Pete, so now you have me thinking I should try a couple... I thought they were super tropical

Has nothing to do with temp's. Let me save you from blowing your hard earned pennies, don't waste your money, it's a no-grow here.

I thank you for the advise, but what's our limiting factor/factors, Jeff? I may come off naive but if my soil's up to par, my light exposure and water requirements are correct, then what else am I missing? I know they can live inside a greenhouse, here. My Copernicia cowellii and Actinokentia divaricata are growing... I saw a healthy Joey(in the ground) in the Grove, the other day. I appreciate all the advice you have to share, Jeff. You are the one who set me straight with Mauritia

Andrew,

I'm solely basing my recommendations on personally trying these and watching others try them for over 10 years here in south florida. I think it's a soil/drainage issue. And another case in point, few people that have grown these in a pot for 2,3 maybe 4 years still end up seeing them slowly die off all of a sudden. I don't have the answers that's for sure.

You also brought up Copernicia cowellii and Actinokentia divaricata on having good luck with so far. And you should. I also should not use the word, luck. These two palms will grow here. My cowellii has been in the ground now for approx. 7 years. And yes, it's extreamly slow! But, my Actinokentia has been growing for over 10 years now in the ground, has split into two trunks and is approx. 6' tall now. And how's this....I just collected 26 seeds off of it last week. Boy was I surprise to find these when they were green in color and kept close eye on them as they matured.

Jeff, interesting info on Actinokentia. I've tried this palm 2-3 times (in pots only) and watched them gradu8ally decline and die. I figured this species was a no-grow in FL. Or could it be my brown thumb?

Jeff, interesting info on Actinokentia. I've tried this palm 2-3 times (in pots only) and watched them gradu8ally decline and die. I figured this species was a no-grow in FL. Or could it be my brown thumb?

Lol! Like I tell people, for every palm you might have killed. I have already killed 100 for your one. Don't be afraid to try another one.

Pete...mmm....it sure looks nothing like mine did at that size. But different conditions etc...

Andrew, mine took -1C (30F) without batting an eyelid.

They are a water hog and also really like rich red soil. They can be temperamental, and I have seen some that refuse to grow after years in the ground.

regards,

Daryl

They can be temperamental, and I have seen some that refuse to grow after years in the ground.

regards,

Daryl

I can verify what Daryl said above. I have heard and experienced the same. I have dug up two after almost 10 years in the ground. The first had the "saxophone heel" part over a foot underground. And this one, that I just dug up had the saxophone part about 13 inches below soil level. This was planted as a one leaf seedling almost 10 years ago.

Other "Lemurs" I have planted were more of a 5 gal size and have been growing well. But these two (planted as seedlings) never grew, but didn't die either. The new leaf would be red and healthy, but before the next one emerged it was already browning and I rarely had two healthy fronds at one time - let alone three. So I gave up on these small ones since the others are doing well - and I planted a Mad Fox in it's place.

Doesn't look right to me either, Pete.

Here's a photo of mine for the record (taken in the dry last year (has since put out another red leaf)).

Happy growing!

Thanks everyone for the comments Andrew and Jeff, if Lemurs are easy here and adore the Steamy lowlands of FNQld why ther hell dont they like Florida ?? a hard one to fathom that one.....Daryl, do you remember when I 1 did as thread on this called lemur or Marojejya sp ? I grabbed this at the time not believing the tag but on a closer look its certainly different...now..you must have seen some of these at Utopia no doubt? not for sale, but inground...also the new leaf is only gaining size very fractionally, does a Lemur with a 4 ft leaf , start to push out larger and larger spears?? btw Daryl, since yours is the largest in Sth Qld is it possible to get a whole palm pic? arent your leaves near 6 mtrs? ( Andrew, Im about an hour Sth of Daryl )..... My other Lemur that likes it where it is is under the white shadecloth in Full sun in the Tahina thread I did, its petioles have "no shine ' and are not smooth like glass on the green leafer...I like this thread and keep your comment coming everyone, its enjoyable. ....ps about some Lemurs very slow...I also have 1 inground when Lemurs where FIRST available...its still tiny...but..many times I thought it was history, but its a "survivor'...this area gets 'very wet' ...Ive let more light in and fed it and its responding...it went in tiny...which Im positive these do "much much better' planted when larger..Pete

Yeah Pete, not sure what you've got there. The petioles look a bit suspect, they should be purple, at least all of the ones I've seen are. Maybe there is a 'green form.'

The purple petioles are not shiny either and have a rough matte texture to the touch.

Mine must like where it is and each new leaf is getting progressively taller and larger. Only gets direct sun for a few hours a day, but definitely good filtered light for the remainder.

The first pic was taken just after planting back in October of 2008 from a 5 gal. The second one I took today, must be new 'screamin' Lemur leaf time here in Hawaii. The last

shot is of the petioles.

Tim

Thank you Tim for the "confirmation" that Lemurs lack the shiny smooth petioles, I was waiting to hear that, and this is steering toward showing that my Palm is either a different form of Lemur or maybe even "something else"

I know Clayton and Teresa ( Utopiapalmsandcycads) has these inground and they are called there "Marojejya sp... wow what if these are actually the Konabe palm ( unidentified palm possibly a marojejya sp) on page 429 of POM.??

Tim, you Lemur is not only screaming but singing in "perfect harmony"..Thanks for the pic, thought Id better post your Lemur again. Pete

Thanks Pete, this palm is a 'winner.' Boy that would be something if your palm is the Konabe. Don't have POM, (can you believe that?), so I've not heard of that genus.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Tim

@ Pete, I do not have any clue on this plant since it won't grow for me so just hazarding another thought. What about that small seeded Lemuriophoenix that came around once? I know Marcus has one and it does have a little different look to it. Not sure if it opens red or not but I know the petiole color was different at the size of yours Pete.

@ Andrew, I know someone outside Ft Lauderdale that grew one for years in his garden with great success. A hurricane eventually killed it though. It was well shaded and watered.

Good luck with that Pete.. Tim your Lemur is really cool. I have not had any luck

with them. So pretty much given up. Maybe too hot and dry in the valley, even with lots of watering.

aloha

Tim,Len and Col, Im happy with "whatever" it is, but interesting point Len, I will email Jeff a few pics and ask his opinion, thanks for that.

Tim, IF its a Konabe.that certainly would be pretty amazing..my garden welcomes any "new or unidentified palm" The Konabe leaf pic in POM isnt that dissimilar to a huge Manicaria. blah blah, dreaming maybe..Will look fwd to feedback from Jeffs email and anyone elses input for that matter. Pete

Thanks everyone for the comments Andrew and Jeff, if Lemurs are easy here and adore the Steamy lowlands of FNQld why ther hell dont they like Florida ?? a hard one to fathom that one.....Daryl, do you remember when I 1 did as thread on this called lemur or Marojejya sp ? I grabbed this at the time not believing the tag but on a closer look its certainly different...now..you must have seen some of these at Utopia no doubt? not for sale, but inground...also the new leaf is only gaining size very fractionally, does a Lemur with a 4 ft leaf , start to push out larger and larger spears?? btw Daryl, since yours is the largest in Sth Qld is it possible to get a whole palm pic? arent your leaves near 6 mtrs? ( Andrew, Im about an hour Sth of Daryl )..... My other Lemur that likes it where it is is under the white shadecloth in Full sun in the Tahina thread I did, its petioles have "no shine ' and are not smooth like glass on the green leafer...I like this thread and keep your comment coming everyone, its enjoyable. ....ps about some Lemurs very slow...I also have 1 inground when Lemurs where FIRST available...its still tiny...but..many times I thought it was history, but its a "survivor'...this area gets 'very wet' ...Ive let more light in and fed it and its responding...it went in tiny...which Im positive these do "much much better' planted when larger..Pete

Hi Pete, it is hard to get an overall shot of my Lemurophoenix as it is usually obscured by other plants etc, but this is about as entire a shot as I can get...that leaf is just over 6 metres with petiole. Still a while away from forming a trunk though...the base is only about 225mm in diameter.

regards,

Daryl

Thanks everyone for the comments Andrew and Jeff, if Lemurs are easy here and adore the Steamy lowlands of FNQld why ther hell dont they like Florida ?? a hard one to fathom that one.....Daryl, do you remember when I 1 did as thread on this called lemur or Marojejya sp ? I grabbed this at the time not believing the tag but on a closer look its certainly different...now..you must have seen some of these at Utopia no doubt? not for sale, but inground...also the new leaf is only gaining size very fractionally, does a Lemur with a 4 ft leaf , start to push out larger and larger spears?? btw Daryl, since yours is the largest in Sth Qld is it possible to get a whole palm pic? arent your leaves near 6 mtrs? ( Andrew, Im about an hour Sth of Daryl )..... My other Lemur that likes it where it is is under the white shadecloth in Full sun in the Tahina thread I did, its petioles have "no shine ' and are not smooth like glass on the green leafer...I like this thread and keep your comment coming everyone, its enjoyable. ....ps about some Lemurs very slow...I also have 1 inground when Lemurs where FIRST available...its still tiny...but..many times I thought it was history, but its a "survivor'...this area gets 'very wet' ...Ive let more light in and fed it and its responding...it went in tiny...which Im positive these do "much much better' planted when larger..Pete

Hi Pete, it is hard to get an overall shot of my Lemurophoenix as it is usually obscured by other plants etc, but this is about as entire a shot as I can get...that leaf is just over 6 metres with petiole. Still a while away from forming a trunk though...the base is only about 225mm in diameter.

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regards,

Daryl

Thanks for the pic Daryl, its a beauty, now did it have a Red new leaf right from a small size or was it bronze? Pete edit...have you seen Claytons Marojejya sp inground that are the same as my post 1 ?

Just read my email from Jeff M and he said "Yes, its a Marojejya, not a Lemur", thanks for the "confirmation Jeff, much appreaciated. Pete

Pete, mine had a pinkish red new leaf when younger, but has never really been 'red'. As it gets older, the new leaf gets more bronze than pink. Maybe also because it gets more sun as well. It colours up pretty quick...only a couple of days until it is all green.

I can't remember seeing Claytons Marojeyja that looks like yours...always too many things to see there!

Daryl

Pete, so you can grow lemurs?! You really DO live in some kinda palm paradise! What is the lowest temp a lemur can take? I am thinking you get colder than me, Pete, so now you have me thinking I should try a couple... I thought they were super tropical

Has nothing to do with temp's. Let me save you from blowing your hard earned pennies, don't waste your money, it's a no-grow here.

I thank you for the advise, but what's our limiting factor/factors, Jeff? I may come off naive but if my soil's up to par, my light exposure and water requirements are correct, then what else am I missing? I know they can live inside a greenhouse, here. My Copernicia cowellii and Actinokentia divaricata are growing... I saw a healthy Joey(in the ground) in the Grove, the other day. I appreciate all the advice you have to share, Jeff. You are the one who set me straight with Mauritia

Andrew,

I'm solely basing my recommendations on personally trying these and watching others try them for over 10 years here in south florida. I think it's a soil/drainage issue. And another case in point, few people that have grown these in a pot for 2,3 maybe 4 years still end up seeing them slowly die off all of a sudden. I don't have the answers that's for sure.

You also brought up Copernicia cowellii and Actinokentia divaricata on having good luck with so far. And you should. I also should not use the word, luck. These two palms will grow here. My cowellii has been in the ground now for approx. 7 years. And yes, it's extreamly slow! But, my Actinokentia has been growing for over 10 years now in the ground, has split into two trunks and is approx. 6' tall now. And how's this....I just collected 26 seeds off of it last week. Boy was I surprise to find these when they were green in color and kept close eye on them as they matured.

Pete, not to hijack your thread, but I just used those two palms as an indicator of skill of growing palms. I could also mention Cyphophoenix alba but this thread is no longer about lemurs anymore! So does anyone know what kind of Marojejya this palm is--insignis or some kinda sp?

Thanks for that Daryl.

Andrew, im very glad Jeff confirmed it being a Marojejya, I would have been happy either way My Marojejya originated from Clayton who calls it a Marojejya Sp ..The petioles are 'very long', very very shiny and smooth.. ..I just went and had another look , the last leaf not the new is 5 ft not 4 , anyway half of the leaf is petiole. I will leave it up to "true experts, but imo this has to be the "third" Marojejya..There is an "old' thread that Clayton started 6 yrs ago about this particular marojejya if you want to go back and browse.... re cyphophoenix alba, whats the question? Pete

Pete,

Whatever it is, I'm sure it's going to be a great looking palm, and especially if it's an undescribed Marojejya! Always interesting to have something unique. Good luck with it!

Bo-Göran

Pete,

This looks to me to be Marojejya insignis, it looks a bit streched from shade but cultivation in differrent locations can make palms look quite different.

Jerry

Maybe Ron Lawyer will pipe in, but I could swear he had one of those "other" Marojejya palms several years back.

Cool beans

Bo, my thoughts exactly.

Jerry, when this was with all the 'other" Marojejyas for sale this one really stuck out because of its individuality and it was tagged as such, do people normally get an Insignis mistaken for a Lemur ???.... now i must add that Clayton has some in Near "full sun" and they still have "very long " petioles... I have a "very open mind' ..but..i also have a "very keen eye'

Bill, I look fwd to Ron chiming in..

A fun thread, and great to finally put to sleep that my Lemur IS a Marojejya. ( thanks Jeff M for the email) Pete

Pete,

This looks to me to be Marojejya insignis, it looks a bit streched from shade but cultivation in differrent locations can make palms look quite different.

Jerry

Jerry, that's what I was thinking. Classic look, at least in a juvenile stage.

The funny thing with this thread is not until I mention legend Jeff Ms name that people start to follow like sheep before that NO ONE came forward with , hey thats not a Lemur thats a Marojejya Insignis The pics I posted where taken in afternoon shade, so its getting plenty of very good light enough to shorten the petioles if it naturally had shorter petioles, apart from that i have never seen an Insignis with leaves of 4 and 5 ft that look like this Marojejya ..I personally am staying with marojejya sp or Marojejya insignis "Variant".. I too "Would Love " to see peoples Insignis with leaves of 4 to 5 ft to compere..there must be a few in Hawaii this size...Jeff I know you will be reading this so can you since you dont post on PTalk email me a few pics of the Insignis "You are watching" ( red petioles) as they may well be different. Pete

Heres down low showing petioles of 60 to 80 cm also, as the palm gets larger So do the petioles, they start red then go to green as pics show.

Pete, here is a shot of an M. insignis south of Hilo. I would have never guessed your palm was M. insignis with such long and colorful petioles. Looking at my little ones, there is almost no

petiole and totally green.

Tim

Thanks for the Insignis pic Tim, heres my young son Carlos who is 5ft 2" for scale with our Le Marojejya ..I look fwd to pics of folks insignis to compere thanks. Pete is it a "variant" Lemur or Marojejya ??