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cart or the horse? chicken or the egg?

Hammer

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Hammer Grand Master

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Typing this on my phone. Please forgive typos and lack of photos. Will try to post some later.

I have a corner of my property that I intend to turn into a very lush tropical area. This area is where I want to put in some mid and under story palms. C. Macrocarpa, licuala, chamedorea and etc.

My intent all along has been to create a raised bed for all the reasons we know and love. BUT to do so, I will need to remove a number of relatively tall screening plants. These plants are currently providing shade and shelter to the area.

Eventually i will remove them once a proper canopy is established. Got me wondering...am I better off removing what is there and building a raised bed first? Or is it smarter to leave the existing plants to get the canopy and mid story palms going and growing instead of removing and raising the bed?

Naturally, I will be amending the soil either way....

MattyB Grand Master

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If you're going to plant canopy plants that means that they will need to relatively fast growers that take full sun, so I'm thinking that your existing tall screening plants could go right away if you really want a raised planter in that area. You may need to acclimate or shade cloth your new canopy plants for a short time, but I'm assuming that you're going to choose species that handle full sun, so they shouldn't need too much babying.

Also, I think you'll find that Chambeyronia will ultimately not be an understory palm. They are large. Every bit as large as Archontophoenix and will take inland sun.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Hammer Grand Master

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Thanks Matty. In that case, any good recommendations for some fast growing canopy palms? I already have a bizzie to anchor one end of the space...where i won't be raising the bed.

I prefer pinnate palms and they need to be relatively neat palms. My neighbor's pool is right next to the wall where this is going in. I want to be somewhat respectful at least.

Any suggestions for non-palm canopy that are tropical looking?

MattyB Grand Master

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Archontophoenix, Roystonea, Kentiopsis o., Livistona, Dypsis madagascariensis, Parajubaea

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Hmm.

For non-palms: Tupidanthus, at least for a while. They're tropical looking, though they do eventually start to bloom and set seed. Takes a while, though.

Put on my thinking bag and come up with some other ideas . . .

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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Hmm. Kentiopsis O? I dunno, but that's just me.

Certainly the Archies will work, no two ways about it. Fast as old age creepin up on ya . . .

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MattyB Grand Master

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I thought of some more canopy species. Dypsis pembana, Dypsis plumosa, Dypsis ambositrae, Dypsis leptocheilos,

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Hammer Grand Master

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Thanks! Happy to see the Teddy Bear in there. I like that particular palm. Regarding Parajubea...would you suggest all the species? My favorite would be P. Cocoides. But looks to be a little slower than the others according to the Palms for Southern California book.

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Hmm.

Parajubes

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can rock

but the P. tor tor can rock a bit too much, as in, it gets big, at least 3 feet across the base. You have a small lot, so, be careful.

But, other kinds will work, they're all a lot smaller. I've got them all, more or less. But, in my opinion they're a bit slow for canopy palms. But! To each his own.

The best part is that the Benetickia you got might also end up being a canopy palm.

If not, you can sure put it out in the sun.

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Hammer Grand Master

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I really appreciate the responses. Big time. Given the constraints of my space, and the look I'm after, I'm thinking the Archies and Teddy Bears are probably the right choice. I wouldn't mind a Parajubea C. or two. But those might take up too much space for other stuff.

I've got that Bizzie I mentioned back there too. I going to try to leave some space around so it can really showcase itself.

Hammer Grand Master

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The best part is that the Benetickia you got might also end up being a canopy palm.

Per your suggestion I believe it was, the Benetickia is receiving the royal treatment. Putting it in the primo pool corner. I think it could end up being a winner there.

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Watch the Bene for burning, if there's reflected light in the summer time. On the other hand, it will appreciate the additional heat, and you're not super hot.

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Hammer Grand Master

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Good heads up DD. Much appreciated. I will keep a close eye.

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