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I want to cover my greenhouse with some shade cloth to cut down on the heat in summer. I was going to get the red shade cloth, but what % shade should I get?

The greenhouse is 30' x 60' and has evaporative cooling. I will be growing mostly palms that grow in full sun (Washingtonia, Butia, Butia hybrids, Sabals, Braheas, Jubaeas, etc.), should I put shade cloth on it at all?

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Posted

50% shade is good to grow pretty things that need some acclimation

30% helps the plant, and needs little acclimation..

most home stores sell 70%, best to shade people

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

Martin, Red shadecloth is used in the flower industry. The Red spectrum speeds up photosynthesis and forces early flowering. Green and Blue shadecloth is the 1st preferred colour for large leafed plants (including Palms) then black. Black shadecloth shades the plants, whereas coloured cloths are designed for certain plants. People that like or want to grow broms under shade cloth for example use white or a very very light red brown shade cloth. The colours they acheive cannot be delivered by the run of the mill black and green. If you browse on the net you can see all the results of large trials in Middle east using different coloured cloths. They are very sun tough palms you are growing, if you do use cloth i personally wouldnt use anything above 30% for your mentioned palms. All the Best with whatever way you go. Pete

Posted

I don't use anything more than 50% shadecloth.... anything more will make the plants grow weak, I think. Yes, they don't look perfect.... but at least when you plant them... they don't just shrivel up and die.... Just my experience...

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Posted

This isn't rocket science.....the more shade a leaf gets as it is growing, the thinner and longer it will be..... which makes it less stable in a higher light environment.

...and Bill is correct, of course..... "Acclimation" to higher light intensity is more difficult when a plant is in increased shade during it's formative growth cycle.

Except that a leaf that is fully grown cannot adapt fully to an increased light level..it may be able to alter the hue to reflect the increased light,(it tends to turn red) but it is really the cell wall that determines its true light hardiness, and cellulose and lignin are not differentiating, so once formed the cell wall structure will not change.....

....so it is really only the newer leaves that 'adapt' to the highs light levels.

There is a shade cloth called Aluminet, that will keep the light levels high and reflect a lot of heat....i have seen it used with good results on other plants, and it was used specifically to reduce heat.

Rusty

Rusty Bell

Pine Island - the Ex-Pat part of Lee County, Fl , USA

Zone 10b, life in the subs!...except when it isn't....

Posted

Thanks for the information everybody. So far sounds like the 30% Aluminet might be the way to go as it will both keep heat out in the summer and reflect it back in during the winter, which was another concern I had.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Posted

I guess I should have mentioned that I don't plan on covering the entire greenhouse, just the side that gets hit by the sun in the afternoon, so the plants will have full sun in the morning and afternoon shade. I had them outside this summer and the plants that were in the sun in the afternoon did very poorly. I'm guessing because their pots got so hot. I bumped some up to bigger pots one afternoon and the soil in the pots was nearly too hot to touch! When I moved them to a spot where they got shade in the afternoon they started growing like crazy. Would that change your recommendation for a shade %?

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

San Angelo Cold Hardy Palms and Cycads

Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

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