Dypsisdean Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Does anyone have info to share on this one? I am very curious. Kona, on The Big Island Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Dean, I have 3 Bismarkia's and none of them showed the least bit of damage. Unfortunately my hi-lo guage packed it in last week, so I can only go by the official low here in Woodland Hills which was 20d. according to the paper this morning. I'm up in the hills and sometimes I'm a degree or two warmer, but not always. I didn't get any frost or ice, which is the usual case for me up here. Whatever, it was cold and damaged almost every other palm not under canopy. San Fernando Valley, California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubravsky Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 One... 3 yrs old from a 3 gallon. Took 24 - no visible damage at all. Dave Riverside, CA Z 9b 1700 ft. elevation approx 40 miles inland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 No damage after an all time low of 29 Sunday morning. Juvenile palm, no trunk. Blue variety. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtlevine Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 Hit my all time low of 27F on Saturday night. All Bizmarkia went through easily without damage. Gary Rock Ridge RanchSouth Escondido5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropicalb Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I'll guarantee it was in the VERY low 20's or possibly even the high teens, and the 15 gal bizmarkia's i had stashed underneath some allspice trees showed no damage at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubravsky Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Here's my little one... Dave Riverside, CA Z 9b 1700 ft. elevation approx 40 miles inland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve 9atx Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 The amazing thing about the little, potted Bismarkias is that at low 20's/high teens overnight, the pot and roots must have virtually have frozen as well, don't you think? Unbelievable. Steve USDA Zone 9a/b, AHS Heat Zone 9, Sunset Zone 28 49'/14m above sea level, 25mi/40km to Galveston Bay Long-term average rainfall 47.84"/1215mm Near-term (7yr) average rainfall 55.44"/1410mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Two galloner, at least down to about 29 FF, two going on three nights, no damage so far. dave Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Little Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Saw 29 an no damage Don_L Rancho CUCAMONGA (yes it does exist) 40 min due east of Los Angeles USDA Zone 10a July Averages: Hi 95F, Low 62F Jan Averages: Hi 68F, Low 45F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Mine is about 3' overall in the ground, saw 28F no protection and seems to even MORE "pinkish bronze" in color that it was a month ago. Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghar41 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 It's early, and I don't know what to look for on a Bizzy as far as freeze damage goes, (other than the usual stuff) My low was 24.9F and I have one that I planted in a lousy spot against a North fence. It doesn't look any different than it did a week ago. Glenn Modesto, California Sunset Zone 14 USDA 9b Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990 High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006 Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghar41 Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 (ghar41 @ Jan. 16 2007,07:27)QUOTEIt's early, and I don't know what to look for on a Bizzy as far as freeze damage goes, (other than the usual stuff) My low was 25.1F and I have one that I planted in a lousy spot against a North fence. It doesn't look any different than it did a week ago. ....I need to mention that I did have a "pooch pot" burning about 25 feet away. :: Glenn Modesto, California Sunset Zone 14 USDA 9b Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990 High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006 Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 30F (first night) - no damage 27F (second night) - no damage This plant is about 3m (10ft) tall. Four or five of the oldest leaves have curled up and look desiccated, but I think that's from the root damage when it blew over a week ago.... Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Bizmarckia nobilis (Silver/Blue), 4 feet tall overall, in ground planted next to a 6 foot tall wood fence. 24.1F, no frost, no canopy No Damage Note: Like BS's this palm has been showing some pinkish/purpleish hues in the older leaves since the begininning of winter but no major foliage damage due to extreme cold. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 3 seedlings, all abou5t 4' tall, no damage on any from 27F for 5 hours, and frost the next night (but temps over 33F)- one totally out in open, others against walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicehunter2000 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Got to Get One! Note to self........Got to get one! Keep the data coming folks...............do you think any effects will be felt later? David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a 200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida 30 ft. elevation and sandy soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 I forgot to add this one. 29F both satAM and Mon AM. No frost. Slight freeze damage to one frond. Pic can be seen in separate post entitled "Freeze 2007 pics" Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Los Altos Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 26F low, very little frost. Three silver Bizzys, 2', 5', and 8'. NOOOOO damage to speak of. Jim in Los Altos, CA SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level zone 10a/9b sunset zone 16 300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground Las Palmas Design Facebook Page Las Palmas Design & Associates Elegant Homes and Gardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 My Bismarkia took 23.5 F on Dec 19, '06, unprotected and no apparent damage. I chickened out for the Jan freeze and covered it and put a 100 W light bulb under it. HOWEVER......The two prior years 25F to 27F must have been the low and unprotected. The two prior years it looked fine untill warm weather arrived, then it developed ugly tan splotches on the foliage. Mine produces about 6 new fronds a growing season. Mine has never been subjected to night after night freezes, so I'll give a report in the spring. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I had 2 nights at 25 F,5mph wind,8 hours exposure to minimum both nights,no frost;no protection.Center 1/3 of leafs are alive while 1/3 on each side has dried up.No obvious signs of freezing while it was happening.It will survive. aztropic Mesa,Arizona Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwan Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 Climate info for these palms is third party. These palms are ~1/4 mile from the Nickel Palm Nursery near Bakersfield. Phil Nickel reported temps at his nursery were 15-18F for several days with extended periods of freezing over the last three weeks. Closeup The smaller one I don't know what these may have looked like before, but they look better than every Washingtonia in the area. For reference L. chinensis and various Sabal species at Phil's nursery. Robert Madera, CA (central San Joaquin valley) 9A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon T Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I need to jump on the bandwagon here, too. I have a couple of small bizzies like the little one near Phil's, and they took 14.7, 14.9, 16, 18, and several low 20s. They aren't dessicated, though they are bronzy-purple. The tight spears look good. They look like they'll be fine, though I think we need to proceed with caution as far as discussing temp limits, since stuff I thought was lightly damaged for the first week looks like death warmed-over a week further along. I want to see if the fronds remain viable, and if the little tough guys begin to grow again in April. And if they do, then it may be that these are remarkably cold-tolerant. Jon T. i Jon T-Central CA coastal valley foothills-9A Forever seeking juania australis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 2 galloner, no damage after four nights of 28-29 F. No frost. Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmnut Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I was talking to friend in the San Francisco Bay area last week about the freeze. He said he saw several big Bismarckia (silver) that were totally untouched by two consecutive nights of 17º-18ºF. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmy Posted February 1, 2007 Report Share Posted February 1, 2007 Where on earth are there big bismarkia's in the bay area? I would love to see one. This spring I will have one in the ground. My fav fan palm. Meteorologist and PhD student in Climate Science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 My Bismarkia, about 4" high, is looking worse and worse. Now the center fronds are turning tan. It's low was 23F and many other nights of below freezing. I think it's gonna bite the dust. Oh well, leaves a nice sunny spot for something more hardy. It was an "experiment" anyway. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicehunter2000 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 4" or 4'? David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a 200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida 30 ft. elevation and sandy soil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sorry, I meant to say 4'. It looks pretty sick now and I don't know if it will live. More later. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 A much later report: I have 3 palms planted in the same area, and totally exposed, no overhead protection. The Butia X Parajubaea was untouched by the freezes and has started to grow again with our warm weather of the past week. Near by my Bismarkia is totally cooked....It's dead as a door nail! No green (silver) DEAD!! Gone!! The Parajubaea T V T in the same area had severe damage to all the fronds that were horizontal and frosted. The 3 center upright fronds were undamaged, and it's started to grow again with warmer weather. Had it been older with a trunk and the foliage further off the ground, I think it would have faired much better. I think this is a keeper for those of us in Sunset zone 14 and definatly for those of you in zones 15 to 17. I have have a nice 5 gal. P. sunkha that I think will replace the Bismarkia, maybe as soon at today as it's supposed to be in the 80's today. Whoope! Spring!! Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmy Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dick- Where did you find a bismarkia to buy in the bay area? Meteorologist and PhD student in Climate Science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Dear Guys i used to call bizie baby as hot baby ! no doubt it is proving its worth.that is hot... so able to survive even in cold wheathers.. Kris. love conquers all.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freekypalmguy Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 (PalmGuyWC @ Feb. 07 2007,12:48)QUOTEMy Bismarkia, about 4" high, is looking worse and worse. Now the center fronds are turning tan. It's low was 23F and many other nights of below freezing. I think it's gonna bite the dust. Oh well, leaves a nice sunny spot for something more hardy. It was an "experiment" anyway. Dick My Bizzie very similar in size to Dicks, but still in a small box, just pulled the spear out, completely rotten . Low of 22F and many nights below freezing. Another Bizzie, same size but in the ground is doing OK so far. Matt from Temecula, CA, 9b Some Pics Cycads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted March 16, 2007 Report Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hi Zack, I just saw your post. A friend of mine picked up the Bismarkia in S. Calif., and I'm not sure where he got it. I've never seen them for sale in N. Calif. Mine is only a memory now as it's been dug up and removed. After 3 years in the ground I was surprised at what thick roots it had grown, a half inch in diamater. Mine was totally cooked at 23F and night after night of freezing temps. and that was even with some protection in the Jan. Freeze. I really didn't think it would survive long in Walnut Creek, and now I know. I suppose I could get another and grow it as a large container plant for my deck, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort since I would have to protect it each winter. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon T Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Fellow Fanatics, It's just like Dick said -- you can't plan for bizzies surviving temps below 25. I am personally responsible for spreading misinformation: my January 27 post said truthfully that my Bismarcks looked pretty good, after temps in the mid-teens, but now, two-plus months later, they look pretty darn dead. One has a dessicated spear that is still in place, but there's no apparent growth, and no color of life anywhere. It may be that truly big ones will have the mass to survive 8b temps, but it's not appropriate for anybody to characterize bismarckia nobilis as anything but a 9b palm, and for practical purposes it's really only going to be consistently attractive in 10 a. Sadder but wiser, Jon T. Jon T-Central CA coastal valley foothills-9A Forever seeking juania australis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoranfans Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 (Jon T @ Apr. 11 2007,15:11)QUOTEFellow Fanatics, It's just like Dick said -- you can't plan for bizzies surviving temps below 25. I am personally responsible for spreading misinformation: my January 27 post said truthfully that my Bismarcks looked pretty good, after temps in the mid-teens, but now, two-plus months later, they look pretty darn dead. One has a dessicated spear that is still in place, but there's no apparent growth, and no color of life anywhere. It may be that truly big ones will have the mass to survive 8b temps, but it's not appropriate for anybody to characterize bismarckia nobilis as anything but a 9b palm, and for practical purposes it's really only going to be consistently attractive in 10 a. Sadder but wiser, Jon T. I seriously doubt the claims of surviving the teens with "no damage". My fully established 11' bismarckia survived 22 degrees 2 nights in a row, but all (14) exposed palms were toasted, dead as a door nail, and the exposed spear wont open fully, has obvious burn damage today. The temps were 22 degrees, but these palms were next to the pool, with th pool heater running overnight. All palms either turned deep bronze or white(more wind protection), and wrinkled. Today, my biz are pushing out new palms, Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a?? Tom Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avb Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 One plant with no damage at 29 degrees. Alan Brickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoranfans Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 In the interest of providing a baseline I decided to show a pic that has several species so there is an understanding within the pic of what the true temps may have been. Here is a pic of my largest bizzie along with syagrus(20F(?)), phx roebelinii(25F?), and a brahea(12F(?) and sabal bermuda(10F). My bizzie was totally burned except for one spear that never did open right. The colors are bronze and white(very wrinkled). I ended up cutting off the burned fronds months later as they were very stiff, lifeless, brittle and caused damage to a new emerging spear as it tried to push its way out. The two phx roebelinii in the foreground were totally bronzed like straw (defoilated but survived), the syagrus show green fronds, plenty of them, but did burn up to 50% as well. The brahea and bermuda didnt even blink. Well since we know roebelinii are tender at about 25F, and the syagrus at 20F, the temp was in that range(weather said 22F for 2 nights in a row). Further, freezing duration was about 8-10 hours each night according to the weather report. Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a?? Tom Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoranfans Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 here is the Biz in april with its first new frond since the freeze opened. Sorry its a different angle, but psychologically I was having a hard time taking photos of it for a while. The newly opened frond along with 2 freeze damaged fronds, yet to be removed, is pictured. Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a?? Tom Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoranfans Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 and here is the same bizzie at the beginning of july, after pumping out 3 more fronds and 2 additional new spears. Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a?? Tom Blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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