Kentiopsis piersonorium

[Tyrone]

Hi everyone. Kentiopsis piersonorium is an awesome palm. I don't have one but some of you out there in "palm cool" world do. Let's see what they look like from every angle, so we can sit back and drool. Show us your Kentiopsis piersonoriums people.

Best regards

Tyrone

[BS Man about Palms]

tomorrow I can take a current pic.

If you want you can search and find some old threads by me about my favorite palm....

[Tyrone]

tomorrow I can take a current pic.

If you want you can search and find some old threads by me about my favorite palm....

Will do. Look forward to your current picture too.

Best regards

Tyrone

[BS Man about Palms]

Current as of this morning.... the color of the leaves are SO different from most palms...

[quaman58]

Thanks Bill, that's a good one. However since no one I know has one, it's the only one I've seen. It's strange they're so rare in cultivation; the IPS journal states that it's one of the least endangered Kentiopsis in New Cal.

[MattyB]

Looks good Bill. Why did you put a picture frame around it?

[Gtlevine]

Have you found a place where you are going to plant it Bill?

I'll have to post a picture of mine later today so you can see what they look like planted.

GAry

[Gtlevine]

Here is mine, almost as fat as my wrist now.

[BS Man about Palms]

looks really good Gary...

I hope the gophers find that distasteful before they completely kill it once they start biting on it.

[BS Man about Palms]

Oh yeah, don't mind me...

[Pedro 65]

Oh yeah, don't mind me...

This pic for me raises questions.. since Jeff Marcus thought until now he had Kentiopsis Piersonorium,what makes this one Piersonorium? Reason 1 for question is the width of the leaves, these look wider than 3 to 4.5 cm as described for KP. Pete( looks very chambeyronia)

Edited June 24, 2011 by Pedro 65

[LJG]

Pete, I would imagine the key is for adult leaflets. Juvinile leaves of course change over time.

[Pedro 65]

Pete, I would imagine the key is for adult leaflets. Juvinile leaves of course change over time.

Now old pics of Jeffs on davesgarden shows his KP ( now pyroformis) as everyone has know it with trunk and rachis a nice pink, (like Bills.. Now... does this mean everyone with Pyroformis has a Piersonorium? Garys leaflets are very wide, could his be a Chambeyronia Lepidota? Mike G can you please post a pic of your KP and anyone else for that matter. Thanks Pete

[Pedro 65]

Pete, I would imagine the key is for adult leaflets. Juvinile leaves of course change over time.

Now old pics of Jeffs on davesgarden shows his KP ( now pyriformis) as everyone has know it with trunk and rachis a nice pink, (like Bills.. Now... does this mean everyone with Pyriformis has a Piersonorium? Garys leaflets are very wide, could his be a Chambeyronia Lepidota? Mike G can you please post a pic of your KP and anyone else for that matter. Thanks Pete

After lots of browsing on the net Im convinced that if you have a Pyriformis planted.. smile coz its Piersoriumon...Piersonoriums leaflets are thinner than pyriformis. google Kentiopsis Pyriformis and see some pics on davesgarden.

[Gtlevine]

Pedro I have two K. pyriformis and the one piersoniorum pictured above. The two palms are quite different and very easy to distinguish. The pyriformis opens up a bronze colored leaf and the regular leaves are just green, there are many more distinguishing features which makes these two palms unmistakable.

Pete, I would imagine the key is for adult leaflets. Juvinile leaves of course change over time.

Now old pics of Jeffs on davesgarden shows his KP ( now pyriformis) as everyone has know it with trunk and rachis a nice pink, (like Bills.. Now... does this mean everyone with Pyriformis has a Piersonorium? Garys leaflets are very wide, could his be a Chambeyronia Lepidota? Mike G can you please post a pic of your KP and anyone else for that matter. Thanks Pete

After lots of browsing on the net Im convinced that if you have a Pyriformis planted.. smile coz its Piersoriumon...Piersonoriums leaflets are thinner than pyriformis. google Kentiopsis Pyriformis and see some pics on davesgarden.

[BS Man about Palms]

Yes, Pete as a fan of piersoniorum since I started (or close) there are differences that are easily seen in person, but not always photographed well.

First off, the pyriformis is a heeled palm. The piersoniorum is not.

The speed of the pyriformis is AT LEAST twice the speed of the piersoniorum.

You will will see many "lanky" looking photos of piersoniorum since they grow so slow people keep them shaded to protect them. This compounds the problem.

I discovered on accident that both the piersoniorum and magnifica like WAY more light than most folks give, this tends to fatten them up and make them more robust.

I have spent a lot of time with Garys palm, It IS DEFINATELY a piersoniorum!

You may see my old one that was getting a lot of light was pretty chunky. till its death started by roly polys

PS- Len, congrats on your recent aquisition!

[Jeff Searle]

Oh yeah, don't mind me...

Very nice looking Bill. It looks to be about the size of mine ( maybe a little bigger ) in a 10 gallon size pot thats waiting for a good home. Just not my home. Anyone interested?

Jeff

[Pedro 65]

Yes, Pete as a fan of piersoniorum since I started (or close) there are differences that are easily seen in person, but not always photographed well.

First off, the pyriformis is a heeled palm. The piersoniorum is not.

The speed of the pyriformis is AT LEAST twice the speed of the piersoniorum.

You will will see many "lanky" looking photos of piersoniorum since they grow so slow people keep them shaded to protect them. This compounds the problem.

I discovered on accident that both the piersoniorum and magnifica like WAY more light than most folks give, this tends to fatten them up and make them more robust.

I have spent a lot of time with Garys palm, It IS DEFINATELY a piersoniorum!

You may see my old one that was getting a lot of light was pretty chunky. till its death started by roly polys

PS- Len, congrats on your recent aquisition!

Cheers Bill,i was on the understanding that Jeffs palm was just like yours in post 4 some time ago, obviously not, I look forward to seeing future pics of yours and Garys as they grow, all the Best Pete

[Walter John]

Oh yeah, don't mind me...

Very nice looking Bill. It looks to be about the size of mine ( maybe a little bigger ) in a 10 gallon size pot thats waiting for a good home. Just not my home. Anyone interested?

Jeff

Bring it with you Jeff when you come to Thailand via Beerwah, I'll take it off your hands

[Daryl]

I agree with Gary and BS, my piersonorium doesn't get a bronze new leaf or have a heel. It also grows ten times as slow as the pyriformis I have. The other feature that easily distinguishes between the two species (at least on my palms) is that piersonorium has ramenta on the leaflets whereas pyriformis doesn't. Hope this helps.

Daryl

[Pedro 65]

Just looked at one of Bo's that was looking very very nice in 2009, would love to see a recent pic of this same palm at Lundkvistpalmgarden , is that possible Karolyn ?Very much appreciated Pete

[Tyrone]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. A good little discussion going here too.

I'm interested because I just ordered 10 seeds from RPS. I have the other 3 Kentiopsis, all teeny compared to everyone elses though. K piersonorium will complete the Kentiopsis collection for me.

Best regards

Tyrone

[LJG]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. A good little discussion going here too.

I'm interested because I just ordered 10 seeds from RPS. I have the other 3 Kentiopsis, all teeny compared to everyone elses though. K piersonorium will complete the Kentiopsis collection for me.

Best regards

Tyrone

You will be happy with the seed. I know someone that ordered 10 and they almost were all germinated by the time they arrived! After I heard that, I ordered some myself

[Pedro 65]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. A good little discussion going here too.

I'm interested because I just ordered 10 seeds from RPS. I have the other 3 Kentiopsis, all teeny compared to everyone elses though. K piersonorium will complete the Kentiopsis collection for me.

Best regards

Tyrone

You will be happy with the seed. I know someone that ordered 10 and they almost were all germinated by the time they arrived! After I heard that, I ordered some myself

I second that Len, we got 10 seed and theres movement already, Super fresh, looking fwd to Basselinia humb and Moorei arriving any day.

Edited June 25, 2011 by Pedro 65

[LJG]

I have both germinating now Pete. I will let you know when I get some action

[Tyrone]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. A good little discussion going here too.

I'm interested because I just ordered 10 seeds from RPS. I have the other 3 Kentiopsis, all teeny compared to everyone elses though. K piersonorium will complete the Kentiopsis collection for me.

Best regards

Tyrone

You will be happy with the seed. I know someone that ordered 10 and they almost were all germinated by the time they arrived! After I heard that, I ordered some myself

I second that Len, we got 10 seed and theres movement already, Super fresh, looking fwd to Basselinia humb and Moorei arriving any day.

Excellent.

[Tyrone]

What temps and moisture content are you guys using to germinate them? I know K olivaformis needs it a bit on the dry side, but K piersonorium comes from a very wet area and may need more. What do you recommend?

Mine won't go into a community pot. Each will go into their own container to minimise any root disturbance down the track, and they'll be put into clear plastic bags in my germination tank to keep everything moist and cosy for them.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Pedro 65]

What temps and moisture content are you guys using to germinate them? I know K olivaformis needs it a bit on the dry side, but K piersonorium comes from a very wet area and may need more. What do you recommend?

Mine won't go into a community pot. Each will go into their own container to minimise any root disturbance down the track, and they'll be put into clear plastic bags in my germination tank to keep everything moist and cosy for them.

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone i dont want to recommend a certain way but this is whats happening here.. after 36hrs soaking in rainwater, i put them into a pot outside in nature which for their first four days we had consecutive rain,( an inch plus a day, when the lows visited and flooded down south) im sure they loved that( have read that this location of NC has up to 10mtrs of rainfall pa, even if this is exaggerated x 2, 5mtrs is a lot of rain.As you can see no thermostats used here, this seed of TOBYS is very fresh and Tyrone i wouldnt be surprised if yours germinates in its bag on its way to yours. All the Best Pete

Edited June 25, 2011 by Pedro 65

[chakoro]

Mine are just going into a com pot with peat and placed in a warm spot..some have the caps popped so hopefully this is germination starting..however i am worried about some white mildew looking substance on some seeds..as well one looked like it was germinating but was oozeing milky mush i think it is DOA.Does anybody know if the white mildew is normal any comments appreciated.

This is typical of some in my batch does this look as though it has germinated?Thanks Craig.

[bgl]

Pete, your #21 above - the most recent photo I took myself of one of these was on August 11, 2010. (I moved out two months later). There's about half a dozen of these in my old garden and they are all from seed that we were given during the New Caledonia Biennial in October 2000. In other words, the palm in this photo is almost exactly ten years old if we count from the time when germination began. If I recall correctly, germination was fairly quick. A few months.

Bo-Göran

[LJG]

Wow Bo. That is the nicest one I have seen. So much color.

[BS Man about Palms]

Its funny Pete, over the years the ones I've seen that have died have been overwatered...but I also think the medium was to dense. Maybe a little heat and free draining would help. I would think to treat like a lemur that likes a bit more sun..

And Bo,

FANTASTIC!

[Scott]

Great lookin' palm Bill!

[Gtlevine]

WOWWOWWOWWOW......WOW, that is gorgeous Bo, how come you didn't dig it out of the garden and bring it with you? I like mine a lot and it is quite large for So Cal, maybe the largest, but I thought they were just nice palms not spectacular. So I hereby stand corrected, they are among the best palms and I am happy I still have mine.

Gary''

Pete, your #21 above - the most recent photo I took myself of one of these was on August 11, 2010. (I moved out two months later). There's about half a dozen of these in my old garden and they are all from seed that we were given during the New Caledonia Biennial in October 2000. In other words, the palm in this photo is almost exactly ten years old if we count from the time when germination began. If I recall correctly, germination was fairly quick. A few months.

Bo-Göran

[Pedro 65]

Pete, your #21 above - the most recent photo I took myself of one of these was on August 11, 2010. (I moved out two months later). There's about half a dozen of these in my old garden and they are all from seed that we were given during the New Caledonia Biennial in October 2000. In other words, the palm in this photo is almost exactly ten years old if we count from the time when germination began. If I recall correctly, germination was fairly quick. A few months.

Bo-Göran

Sensational Bo, thanks for posting, certainly put on some growth in the past 2 years. Very Inspirational, thanks againPete

[Tyrone]

Pete, your #21 above - the most recent photo I took myself of one of these was on August 11, 2010. (I moved out two months later). There's about half a dozen of these in my old garden and they are all from seed that we were given during the New Caledonia Biennial in October 2000. In other words, the palm in this photo is almost exactly ten years old if we count from the time when germination began. If I recall correctly, germination was fairly quick. A few months.

Bo-Göran

That's a stunning palm Bo. Thanks for posting.

Best regards

Tyrone

[bgl]

Everybody, thanks for your comments! And Gary, digging that, or any other, palm up was never a consideration. First of all, there are 5,000 palms in the garden. Could get tricky trying to pick! But secondly, and more importantly, I wanted the garden to remain just the way it is. Anything else was never on my mind.

[avb]

My $.02: I've had 3 piersoniorums in the past, all of which made an early exit to palm heaven, of which the largest was about 18 inches tall.. They all looked like BS Man's and Gary's trees. I have several pyriformis and none even remotely resemble piersoniorum. Totally different stem color, leaf shape, petiole color, and they have about twice or three times(although they're still somewhat glacial) the growing speed.

[newcal]

Pete, I would imagine the key is for adult leaflets. Juvinile leaves of course change over time.

Now old pics of Jeffs on davesgarden shows his KP ( now pyroformis) as everyone has know it with trunk and rachis a nice pink, (like Bills.. Now... does this mean everyone with Pyroformis has a Piersonorium? Garys leaflets are very wide, could his be a Chambeyronia Lepidota? Mike G can you please post a pic of your KP and anyone else for that matter. Thanks Pete

Here's a picture of mine, still in a pot and a little stretched, but looking like the true species. Mine also has the ramenta, no heel and is very slow growing.

Cheers, Mike green (Newcal)

[Tyrone]

Thanks for the pictures everyone. A good little discussion going here too.

I'm interested because I just ordered 10 seeds from RPS. I have the other 3 Kentiopsis, all teeny compared to everyone elses though. K piersonorium will complete the Kentiopsis collection for me.

Best regards

Tyrone

You will be happy with the seed. I know someone that ordered 10 and they almost were all germinated by the time they arrived! After I heard that, I ordered some myself

My ten arrived today all germinated every single one. One has the beginning of a spear, the rest have popped the cap and thickened up. However I'm still concerned they may have germinated on the way and then just stalled. I extremely carefully put them into their own pot. My mix was coconut coir, perlite, a bit of vermiculite, some Amgrow seed raising mix with all sorts of goodies in their, plus a small amount of very well rotted humus, some rock phosphate, and some potassium humates. The result is a spongey light mix with an earthy smell to it. I've topped off the surface with a very light layer of spaghnum moss and have put the pots into clear plastic bags on top of my grow aquarium where it's a bit cooler than inside the aquarium. The heat from the lights will provide a gentle bottom heat. I'm hoping for mid twenties during the day in the bags and around 20c at night when all the lights go off. Do those temps seem right for this species? I don't want to overheat these little things. Gentle gentle is how I'm treating them.

How are everyone elses going? Interested in hearing from everyones experiences.

Best regards

Tyrone