Can U help me to ID this two palms?

Let me call them Palm 1:

and Palm 2

wow, I allways admire myself whan it comes to names

Location San Diego

Thanks

Livistona chinensis and Butia capitata.

Hang on I'm not in So Cal.

Oh cmmon, now U ruined it

Thanks Tyrone

Im not in So Cal either so that makes us 1:1

The first palm looks like a Brahea sp. IMHO. The second palm looks more like an xButiagrus to me.

Just my 2 cents,

Jonathan

Brahea edulis and Butia. That Butia has thinner than typical petiole bases for a capitata though.

I see these palms all the time in Balboa Park. Your correct Jim, the first one is Brahea edulis fruiting and second is Butia capitata.

Doesnt it have a bit to many trunk fibers for B. Edulis?

I also feel the first one is L. chinensis

There's no doubt that the first one is Brahea edulis. The trunk fibers are typical of those in a dry or semi-dry climate and will eventually fall away to reveal a smooth trunk. This tree looks nearly identical to the one in my back yard. L. chinensis leaf bases are thicker and less upright than those in the picture. Also, the fruiting is typical of B. edulis.

Very interesting Brahea edulis, I never seen one with out a smooth trunk.

AS far as Chinensis goes the leaves are not droopy & smooth and trunk is to thick.

Butia look like they are stretching from lack of sunlight?

L. chinensis trunks that have never been cleaned sometimes get that thick. I agree that the leaves are not droopy enough, but palm leaves do tend to get thicker and less smooth in drier climates. Living in Florida, I don't get to see many Braheas so I naturally go with a more familiar species. I'm attaching a L. chinensis picture from my neighborhood (don't have a better one of an unclean-trunk one).

Doesnt it have a bit to many trunk fibers for B. Edulis?

Some have clean trunks at this size and some don't...not sure of the reason why. I do know this palm is most certainly Brahea edulis (I've seen it thousands of times).

Brahea edulis and Butia. That Butia has thinner than typical petiole bases for a capitata though.

I think these Butia capitata petioles are thinner than normal because these palms are pretty shaded by a large Ficus Macrophylla (Moreton Bay Fig).

the pacsoa site says b.edulis is "the only brahea NOT to have persistent leaf bases." i agree this is a brahea but am not entirely certain its edulis.

I bet if the palm on foto didnt have any fruits on, all this ID issue would be much more different.

It's Brahea edulis. Leafbases will persist sometimes and then all fall off in the course of a week. Quite odd.

Don't see any Brahea over here so L chinensis was the closest that I could identify it with. Are Brahea seed that big? L chinensis have big bluey green seeds and blue seeds when ripe that are oval like an olive.

Best regards

Tyrone

Don't see any Brahea over here so L chinensis was the closest that I could identify it with. Are Brahea seed that big? L chinensis have big bluey green seeds and blue seeds when ripe that are oval like an olive.

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone, B. edulis fruit are round and bigger than olives. When ripe they're bluish black and are edible. Even though the fruits are decorative, I cut them off before ripening so they don't fall all over my patio.

Thanks for that Jim. Didn't know that. What do the fruits taste like?

I don't know why but I thought that Brahea fruit/seeds would have been along the lines of Washies for some reason.

No one grows Braheas over here except for the odd B armata but they're very rare. How old do you think that one in the pic is?

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone, Most people I know that have tasted the B. edulis fruit weren't very impressed. I've never actually tasted it myself. I never let them ripen. The tree in that picture is probably between 20 and 25 years old.

Now, these are "regular" B. Edulis

There is a slight difference between them and the first one?

BTW, have a q more

How do U find them to germinate? I dont have any luck with them or Im doing something totaly wrong

Any tips? Some dark secrets of ancient germination Gurus???

THX