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I would like to know which of veitchia palms is more cold hardiness. I live in south of Spain and now is starting to grow veitchia merilli very well, I think there is others more tolerant cold.

Malaga, South Spain 'Costa del Sol'  Zone 10b

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Posted

(CarloSpain @ Jan. 05 2007,06:10)

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I would like to know which of veitchia palms is more cold hardiness. I live in south of Spain and now is starting to grow veitchia merilli very well, I think there is others more tolerant cold.

Hi Jose

Veitchia merrilli is no longer Veitchia. It is Adonidia merrilli.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

Hi Carlo, Most of the Veitchia's should grow well for you, Try these ones first, V.arecina, V. johannis,and V.winin these should grow fine for you, then try a few of the others.

Clayton.

Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia

Minimum 3.C -------- maximum 43.C Average Annual Rainfall 1700mm

IPS Membership since 1991

PLANT MORE PALMS TO SOOTH THE SOUL

www.utopiapalmsandcycads.com

Posted

Carlo, if you can grow Adonidia really well, you should have almost no trouble with all the real Veitchia's.

regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

v.arecina is supposed to be the most cold-hardy.i don't know what your climate is,but in southern california it is

the best bet.i have not heard of anyone growing adonidia merrilli outdoors here,though.good luck with your palms!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Posted

Hi Carlo,

In central Florida, the hardiness of the species varies very little.  All will defoliate at around 28F and die shortly thereafter.  Locally, Adonidia is much more available and therefore more widely planted.  Adonidia, being much slower growing and of overall smaller stature, allows them to be more easily protected in marginal hardiness areas.

I hope this helps some.

Ray

No one cares about your current yard temperature 🙃

Posted

In Sicily, which should a climate similar to So.Spain, Adonidia merrillii does not survive except for one or two winters. Veitchia spp. do much better, if planted in the right spot. I think a friend has a fruiting V.joannis in Palermo.

Carlo, Tenerife

Posted

What is the weather like in southern Spain?

Parrish, FL

Zone 9B

Posted

Bill,

So.Spain has a very sunny and dry warm Mediterranean climate. The coast of Malaga-Marbella and Granada (Almuñecar) have supreme frostless 10B climates comparable to San Diego in California. Gunter Brutt, by Marbella, has blooming Burretiokentia hapala and Pinanga coronata outdoors, and >200 palm species.

On the other hand Sevilla and other inland regions, have yearly frosts which are a clear limit to the number of growable species. The question is where in So.Spain.

CarloSpain, ¿En qué sitio del Sur de España estás?

Carlo

Posted

Hola Carlo, vivo en Malaga capital, pero tengo mi parcela en Torre del Mar,  en plena Axarquia, esta muy cerca del mar, a unos 600 mtrs, estoy rodeado de plantaciones de mangos, aguacates, papayas y muchos mas frutales subtropicales y tropicales. Mi aficion por las palmeras comenzò hace aproximadamente un año, desde que visite Tenerife y vi la cantidad de bellas palmeras que podeis cultivar alli.  No se exastamente si la palma de Manila ira perfectamente en mi clima, pero se vende un muchos viveros de la zona con un tamaño de 2 mtrs, ademas  las tienen en exterior sin ningun tipo de proteccion y la verdad que el aspecto que tienen en este momento que estamos en pleno invierno es excelente.

Saludos Carlo, por cierto si sigues teniendo contacto con Carlos Simon dale recuerdos de mi parte.

Jose Carlos

Malaga, South Spain 'Costa del Sol'  Zone 10b

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Posted

¡Ya se quien eres! Carlos me hablo de tí y de tu pasión explosiva. Por donde dices que estás me da que se te dará... pero si se te da la Adonidia, te irá mejor aún con las veichias propiamente dichas. Dale duro... ¿cuándo vuelves por aquí?

The brief abstract in English is that CarloSpain (Jose Carlos), has his plot on the coast of Malaga, surounded by mangos and papayas, in the best climate of Mainland Europe. He says that outdoors grown adonidias are being sold by local nurseries. Good luck!

Carlo

Posted

Hola Jose Carlos lo mas probable es que se seque la palmera despues de un par de años, compara las temperaturas maximas y minimas de tu area con las de tijuana - se encuentran en mi firma - tambien la precipitacion invernal eso tiene todo que ver con la posibilidad de esta palmera sobreviviendo los inviernos en tu area.

Si tu tierra es macisa vas a tener un chingo de problemas a largo plazo con adonidia merrilli pero si es arenosa sera mucho mejor ya que esta palmera tiene practicamente los mismos requisitos de cocos nucifera de temperatura y de tierra seca en el invierno o sea de su cultivacion en general.

Si se ha logrado cultivar cocos nucifera en tu area vas a poder con adonidia merrilli pero si no pues - y por lo que sepa no se puede hasta en las partes costeras mas calidas de españa - con el tiempo se va a secar. En tijuana y en el condado de san diego se puede cultivar adonidia merrilli pero con dificultad igual como cocos nucifera.

El problema es, como siempre con palmeras de origen tropical, en tierra mojada y fria se echan a perder las raices.

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

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Posted

Hola Cristobal, probablemente tengas toda la razon, habra que esperar un par de años a ver si tengo alguna noticia de que alguien le vaya bien, ya que yo no estoy dispuesto a pagar el elevado precio que llega a tener esta palmera predeterminada seguramente a la muerte.

Precisamente ayer estuve en uno de estos viveros, algunas llegan a medir los 4 metros!!! Pregunte a trabajador y me dijo que se vendia bastante y que nadie se habia quejado de haber tenido problemas, en este enlace podeis ver el catalogo y los tamaños que se venden en este vivero: http://www.viverosguzman.es/plantas_palmaceas_lis2.html

Carlo, gracias por darme animo, la verdad es que estoy deseando volver a Tenerife, en cuanto el trabajo me lo permita me doy una escapada, por cierto quien es Gunter Brutt? Me parece muy interesante que haya conseguido fructificar pinanga coronata en exterior y aun mas que tenga Burretiokentia hapala, es una de mis palmeras preferidas.

Malaga, South Spain 'Costa del Sol'  Zone 10b

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Posted

Cristòbal, en Tijuana no solamente las palmeras tropicales se mueren en el invierno, incluso yo casi me muero del friyazo que hizo el año pasado en èsa ciudad fronteriza. Por las temperaturas que pones parece que vives en Playas de Tijuana??? Creo que Tijuana es màs frìo que èso.

Este año decidì quedarme en Culiacàn y mis adenoides y amìgdalas me lo agradecieron mucho.  :D

Sì, yo tambièn sè quièn es èse Josè Carlos.  :angry:

Posted

Quando paramucho mi amore de felice carathon

Mundo paparazzi mi amore chicka ferdy parasol

Presto abrigado tantamucho cake and eat it carousel  ???

Usted puede montar con los gauchos que hacen pivotar sus boleadoras en un bandana rojo que usted puede funcionar con el diablo que toma sus ocasiones con el senorita  :o

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

Wal, you are a poet! Or is it a song?

Gunter Brutt es el Alemán que desde hace unos 20 años colecciona palmeras en su casa de invierno cerca de Marbella: tiene unas 250 spp. al exterior; entre ellas. Aquí tienes una lista que hice escogiendo las más tropicales de las que viven fuera algunas al limite de supervivencia No hay Adonidia (!!!):

Here is a list of some of the 250 palm spp. grown by Gunther Brutt (same area as JoseSpain). I cherry-picked the most tropical ones that he is successfully growing outdoors (not all look perfect, though. There is no Adonidia (!!!):

Arenga pinnata

Astrocaryum alatum

Attalea cohune, A.dubia

Borassus aethiopum

Calamus ciliaris, C.leptospadix

Coccothrinax littoralis, C.miraguama, C.crinita, C.readii

Cryosophila spp.

Copernicia hospita, C. prunifera

Dypsis mananjarensis, D.lepto, D.basilonga, D.cabadae,D. onilahensis, D.lastelliana

Hyphaene petersiana

Kerriodoxa

Kentiopsis oliviformis

Neoveitchia

Prestoea acuminata var. montana

Ravenea glauca, R.monticola, R.samb., R.xerophila,

Veitchia joannis

Wodyetia

Wendlandiella gracilis var.polyclada

Zombia

Carlo, Tenerife

Posted
  Quote
Wal, you are a poet! Or is it a song?

Oui.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

I feel so left out. :(

BTW, I would love to see some pictures of palms in this region. Anyone have some?

Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

Posted

Epicure,

I have pictures of Gunter Brutt's Garden and La Concepcion; but I have to rescue them from my hard drive. I was there 7 months ago, but both gardens were featured on the IPS post-biennial trip of 2002, so both have been visited by many of you. Let's see if this guys can send more pictures.

Wal,

I have checked: the Mundo Paparazzi is from the Beatles.... but where did you get the "los gauchos que hacen pivotar sus boleadoras ?

A todos,

Este hombre quiere ver fotos de palmeras en el Sur de "espein". ¿Alguien tiene ? A mi, por cierto, me gustaría ver algo del Parque del Majuelo, en Almuñecar, que sólo visité una vez hace 11 años, y que habrá crecido un montón.

Carlo

Posted

Well it is an idea for a bilingual thread - Una idea para un tema bilingüe

Sur de España - Fotos y Photographs

With many pictures, the language barriers will be shorter.

Cuantas más fotos, menor es la barrera lingüistica.

¿no?

Posted
  Quote
With many pictures, the language barriers will be shorter.

Cuantas más fotos, menor es la barrera lingüistica.

sim! :-)

Algarve, Portugal

Zone 10.

Mediterranean Climate moderated by the Atlantic Ocean

Posted
  Quote
but where did you get the "los gauchos que hacen pivotar sus boleadoras ?

You can ride with the Gauchos

Swinging your bolas in a red bandana

You can run with the devil

Takin' your chances with Senorita

from "Feel the benefit" by 10cc, used to be one of my all time fav songs, just translated to Spanish via babel fish. I had nothing better to do at the time, just trying to join in.

Si toda la gente en el mundo dijera que juntos somos todos nos ennegrecemos y blanco, estamos todo el dia y la noche si toda la gente en el mundo podría cantar junta cómo sonaría, qué nosotros se siente

toda la sensación la ventaja

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

In this moment I have a few palm pictures from here, but I have a link of a old forum (infojardin) where we can see some of 'Parque el Maujuelo' in Granada: http://www.infojardin.net/foro_ja....avenala

The next weekend I will go to one park here very unknow but really very interesting, it is 'Jardín Botánico Molino de Inca', is in Torremolinos, near Malaga, you will can see some pictures!

Malaga, South Spain 'Costa del Sol'  Zone 10b

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Posted

Hello Jose

That Latania in the thread pics looks much like L.verschaffeltii and not L.lontaroides

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

Jose Carlos,

Gracias por las fotos! El Parque del Majuelo grew a lot in so many years.

I think we can do the bilingual threads for real if we put enough pictures. Go for the "Molino de Inca".

Someone must start, then I can add some pictures from Gunter's place.

Siafu, "Sur de España" can be "Sul de Iberia"... if you start first.

Wal, it is real fun, but expression such as "toda la sensación la ventaja" are ununderstandable! You know: if you translate a sentence with BabelFish, from SP to EN, and then you translate again the same sentence back from EN to SP, at the end there will almost be nothing left of the original story .

Posted

V.arecina I believe is the most cold hardy. You will see some are more cold hardy than others. I have one that has had frost on it twice and hardly any damage at all. And others not far away had much more damage. I think some will take temps down a little lower than stated but,that is a good average min temp.Wal is that spanish or portuguese ?

David

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