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What are these Chamaedorea?

PalmatierMeg

By PalmatierMeg
in DISCUSSING PALM TREES WORLDWIDE

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PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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Last night I repotted these 5 Chamaedoreas but could not find any ID tags. I have a hunch but don't always trust my hunches.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

John in Andalucia Grand Master

John in Andalucia

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Hi Meg, I would hazard a guess and say C. microspadix. I only have small seedlings of this species, but yours have that same "hang loose" appearance as my baby ones!

FRITO Grand Master

FRITO

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Id say Microspadix but maybe micropsadix hybrids as the leaves look fairly glossy and shiny. microspadix is supposed to have a matte finish.

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

Patrick Veteran

Patrick

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I'd guess, but it would be only that. I can see reasons why John thought microspadix, though. The leaflets do look a bit on the ovate side....

Is that a Ford Falcon in the garage???? Cool.

Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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I'd guess, but it would be only that. I can see reasons why John thought microspadix, though. The leaflets do look a bit on the ovate side....

Is that a Ford Falcon in the garage???? Cool.

Thanks, all. I'd been thinking they were Cham glaucifolia so now I'm really confused. Patrick, you are close. The car is a 1963 Ranchero. We use it to haul the many bags of mulch my palms need.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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i was thinking c.oblongata. :hmm:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

gyuseppe Grand Master

gyuseppe

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margaret I saw the picture and I immediately thought Chamaedorea oblongata, but they all say chamaedora microspadix and now I'm confused !

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John Case Grand Master

John Case

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The leaves look too glossy for macrospadix, but I have no idea what they could be......

John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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When I got home from work I checked my known C. glaucifolia seedlings and these mystery Chams are not C.g., which are thinner with narrower leaves. I'm leaning toward C. microspadix, C. oblongata, perhaps C. tepejilote? Is that the right track?

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

PalmatierMeg Grand Master

PalmatierMeg

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I have some in baggies but not this size.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

tjwalters Veteran

tjwalters

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I have some in baggies but not this size.

The irregularly-spaced, clustered, and/or multi-plane leaflets (difficult to tell at that young stage) remind me of either C. klotzschiana, C. plumosa or C. glaucifolia.

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a/b
hardiestpalms.com

Moose Grand Master

Moose

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I'd guess, but it would be only that. I can see reasons why John thought microspadix, though. The leaflets do look a bit on the ovate side....

Is that a Ford Falcon in the garage???? Cool.

Look at all the little containers Meg has tucked under her larger plants. And this is just by the garage door. :lol:

Meg - are you the Container Ranch Queen? :huh:

Ron. :blush:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

ariscott Grand Master

ariscott

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I don't think they are C. tepejilote. They don't look like mine...

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Gonzer Grand Master

Gonzer

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Did you plant any C. klotzschiana seeds?

My sentiments exactly.

 

 

Patrick Veteran

Patrick

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I have some in baggies but not this size.

The irregularly-spaced, clustered, and/or multi-plane leaflets (difficult to tell at that young stage) remind me of either C. klotzschiana, C. plumosa or C. glaucifolia.

I'm ruling out plumosa for sure. I've dealt with a bunch of those seedlings and the leaflets are very thin. Not like these.... :)

The other two??? Not so sure.....

Oakley, California

55 Miles E-NE of San Francisco, CA

Solid zone 9, I can expect at least one night in the mid to low twenties every year.

Hot, dry summers. Cold, wet winters.

John in Andalucia Grand Master

John in Andalucia

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I have 10" seedlings of C. microspadix and C. klotzschiana, and TBH, I can't tell the difference. This is fun, now, isn't it? biggrin.gif All I can add, is that C. microspadix is probably more abundant and readily available than C. klotzschiana?

Gonzer Grand Master

Gonzer

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It's definitely NOT glaucifolia.

 

 

Jim in Los Altos Grand Master

Jim in Los Altos

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My first hunch was C. oblongata since they look so much like mine with the far spaced leaflets. I'd like to see more of that Ford Ranchero. I saw a 1960 or '61 light blue one on the freeway a week ago and thought what a neat car-truck for running quick garden errands.

Jim in Los Altos, CA  SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level

zone 10a/9b

sunset zone 16

300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground

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tjwalters Veteran

tjwalters

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It's definitely NOT glaucifolia.

I haven't actually seen seedlings of C. glaucifolia, so I will take your word on that. I included them because I had thought C. plumosa and C. glaucifolia were very similar; however, I can see from searching images on the web that they appear quite different. I have seen (have grown from seed) both C. klotzshiana and C. plumosa.

I'm sticking with my original assessment, C. klotzshiana , judging from the grouping of leaflets in the first photo, upper left. :)

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a/b
hardiestpalms.com

edbrown_III Grand Master

edbrown_III

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margaret I saw the picture and I immediately thought Chamaedorea oblongata, but they all say chamaedora microspadix and now I'm confused !

I concur -- leaf looks like C. oblongata but after 3 rye whiskey shots it still looks like C> oblongata

Best regards

Ed

Gonzer Grand Master

Gonzer

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It's definitely NOT glaucifolia.

I haven't actually seen seedlings of C. glaucifolia, so I will take your word on that. I included them because I had thought C. plumosa and C. glaucifolia were very similar; however, I can see from searching images on the web that they appear quite different. I have seen (have grown from seed) both C. klotzshiana and C. plumosa.

I'm sticking with my original assessment, C. klotzshiana , judging from the grouping of leaflets in the first photo, upper left. :)

TJ, at the moment I've got a boatload of glaucifolia seedlings, I'm with the C-klot crew.

 

 

SubTropicRay Grand Master

SubTropicRay

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Grow them out and post a photo when they're twice that size next year.

No one cares about your current yard temperature 🙃

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drzoidberg1

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If these are solitary trunk palms then you can rule out C. microspadix and all the other clumping forms of Chamaedorea. I would say C. oblongata

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