Age of jubaea

[M@ximus]

ciao  to  all!!

surfing ,I have  found  a pics of  one  Jubaea  on  north  Italy

the  pics  was  taked  on  September 06

This  is  my  favourite  palm

somebody  can say how   old  is  it??

Is  not  so  Huge,  but  I  love  this  ""  Design""!!

just  for  have  an Idea  how  much  time  i  have  to  wait.........

Merry Christmas  to  all  members  and   all palm lovers!!

M@x

[Nigel]

Max, has it recently been planted ?

The crown looks too small for it to be well established.

I would guess the age to be around 20 to 25 years in perfect growing conditions.

[M@ximus]

Ciao  Nigel!

honestly, I don't  have  idea  when was planted!

I  love  is  fat  trunk!

You  think  was  on  a  pot   for  a  long  time?????

Ciao  M@x

[Zac in NC]

Really? only 25? The one in Rok Hill SC is much smaller than that and it is 30 years old plus. It looks nice. I  wish I could have a Jub that size. I might live to see it get to say 10 to 15 feet of trunk before I die.

Zac

[Nigel]

Zac, in ideal conditions I am sure its possible, some of the imports are not that old.

Max, I expect it was grown elsewhere, dug up, and transplanted to that position, a factor which results in undersized leaves for a period.

[SubTropicRay]

Wow! That is stocky to say the least.

[Kris]

Dear Guys  

that tempo you mean to say its 20 to 25 years of

age !

Christ_i have just one cheliean wine palm sprouting

last month end.Me for a man of 35 how long will it

take for my baby_Jubaea to grow upto 12 to 14 feet

tall.

will i be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel,

or will my wish go unanswered ???

But i will be glad if my grand children love it too.

Since my grand father loved Royal palms,but i was not

a fan of it since its dried leaves used to fall on cars parked

on the streets and on telephone wire & power lines_it was

newsence to us.so they were all felled.they were 25 to 28

years old.standing like magnificient giants really tall &

white was its trunk !

Love,

Kris.

[Exotic Life]

Ciao Maximus,

That's a really nice Jubeae

Robbin

[PalmGuyWC]

Hey guys,

I have 4 good sized Jubaeas.  After about 30 years they really speed up in growth.  Actually, I'm not kidding as they really do seem to have speeded up in the last few years but then I water more often than I used to.

One of mine has been blooming for several years and that's where, if you get any hybrids with Jubaea in it, from N. Calif, they come from.  Mine has been used as both a father and a mother plant.  The seeds on the mother plant grow quite rapidly, and usually mature in about 4 months.  It takes the Butias much longer and Queen palms even longer.....about a year.

One of my Jubaeas is the "strict" form and has the thickest trunk of all.  It's 13.5 feet in circumferance measured 4' above the ground.  I hope I'm still alive when my others start blooming.  They seem to thrive in my climate and they are very tough.  Neither heat or cold seem to bother them, but they like cool nights.  If you want to be remembered 200 years from now, plant a Jubaea.

They are a little "trickey" to grow the first few years and very slow, but after about 5 years in a container, they should go in the ground.  Once in the ground and becoming established, their growth speeds up.  They can be quite attractive, even as a smaller palm, but remember to give them plenty of room to grow and as much sun as possible.

Dick

[M@ximus]

Dear  kris!!

Unfortunately    the  jubaea  is  slow  to  grow!!

But  it  is true  only  for  the  firsts  ten Years!  

After  ten  is  more  slow

Joke  apart

This  palm is   very  Beautiful and   If  You  think   that can  live  for  Thousand  of  years  , I  like  to  immagine  

a little part  of  me    live  with  it

For  that, I'm  growing  hundreds(is  correct)  of  Jubaea

and is  a pleasure for  me    to  push  many  friends   to  plant  2 or 3 Jubaea on his  garden . Naturally  for free

because  if  I  go  to  ask  money  , the interest    for  this  palm suddenly  vanish!!

here  a pics  with  some  seeds  collected  To  RBG

the  first   week  of  september 06

You  can  see  on  right   about  30% of  seeds  are  already  germinated

Ciao Kris

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j128/pol...Jubaeaseeds.jpg

[Exotic Life]

Maximus,

The germinate fast, i have heard from people here in the netherlands sometimes the wait more then a year before the germinate !

That's also a reason why i don't haven't sow Jubeae seeds.

Robbin

[iwan]

Dick,

Why not plant them out young?  I have one in 15g, just because I haven't decided where to plant it.  I also have a bunch of seedlings though, why not plant some out in spring?

BTW, as a test, I left a 3" seedling in a 1g tall pot out this winter and no damage at all at 22F.  It is not putting on any growth, but then again it was a runt to begin with.

[chris.oz]

Here is the other end of the scale,  all of my Jubs are in pots, but today I will plant my 5 year old fully pinnate Jub.

The back row are 30 months old and just going pinnate.

The next row are 18 months old.

The next row are 6 months old.

All these have been grown in full sun.

Fresh seed is not slow to germinate.

IMO,  the best results are acheived by overpotting the jubs,  and growing them in lightly filtered sun for the first few years,  with plenty of air circulation.  They dont like humid conditions and dont like small pots when grown in the sun and the mix should NEVER be allowed to dry out.  Even though the adult palms are drought tolerant,  the potted seedlings are not.   Oh yes,  they dont mind cool nights at all.

They grow much faster in the ground.

[chris.oz]

(PalmGuyWC @ Dec. 21 2006,12:25)

QUOTE

Hey guys,

I have 4 good sized Jubaeas.  After about 30 years they really speed up in growth.  Actually, I'm not kidding as they really do seem to have speeded up in the last few years but then I water more often than I used to.

One of mine has been blooming for several years and that's where, if you get any hybrids with Jubaea in it, from N. Calif, they come from.  Mine has been used as both a father and a mother plant.  The seeds on the mother plant grow quite rapidly, and usually mature in about 4 months.  It takes the Butias much longer and Queen palms even longer.....about a year.

One of my Jubaeas is the "strict" form and has the thickest trunk of all.  It's 13.5 feet in circumferance measured 4' above the ground.  I hope I'm still alive when my others start blooming.  They seem to thrive in my climate and they are very tough.  Neither heat or cold seem to bother them, but they like cool nights.  If you want to be remembered 200 years from now, plant a Jubaea.

They are a little "trickey" to grow the first few years and very slow, but after about 5 years in a container, they should go in the ground.  Once in the ground and becoming established, their growth speeds up.  They can be quite attractive, even as a smaller palm, but remember to give them plenty of room to grow and as much sun as possible.

Dick

Dick,

I too have found them "tricky" in the first few years and agree totally that they are faster in the ground,  based on the germinted seed I have planted in local parks .  I have lost a lot of my potted seedlings at the early stages and currently have a  yield of about 30% at the 3 year stage,  but they are grown in full sun and some do sucumb if not watered regularly. BTW Thats from fresh seed of which damn near 100% germinate.

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Iwan,

I sure don't claim to be an expert on Jubaeas, but maybe the sooner you get them in the ground the better.  In N. Calif. we have cool winters and when the nightly temps fall below 50 F, most palms seem to slow down, or just quit growing.  Some of us feel that by keeping the palms in black plastic containers, they can soak up some of the sun during the daytime and that heats the roots enough so that the plants can continue to grow.

Generally, I like to grow palms up to the 5 gal size before they are put in the ground.  If they are to small, they might be steped on, or mowed down by a lawn mower.

Jubaeas are notoriously slow their first 5 years, and that's the reason most nurserymen won't grow them.  I'm told by folks that have visited their habitat in Chile that they grow in rather dry areas and that the soil is grainey and poor in nutriments.  The theory is that they spend their early life producing roots to reach down to find moisture and when they do that, they begin to grow.  It takes a while for the base of the trunks to reach a diamater so that the plant can grow new roots. Once the base has expanded, they speed up in growth, quite rapidly.

I think it's safe to say, it takes about 10 years for Jubaea's to grow to be a decent looking palm from germination.  I was only about 35 years old when I planted mine.  I would encourage anyone who lives in a climate where they will grow to plant one......or as many as you can, in your neighborhood, or in a a public park.  They are magnificant palms and they will be there for a long time.

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

I have been tempted to do some late night Jubea plantings...

JoePalma, are you reading this??

[DoomsDave]

I think that Jube is an old one in a borderline climate.

Look how small the leaf crown is.

If it's twenty-five years old, here in Cali, I think it would be bigger.  Also note the tapered trunk.

Where, exactly, in Italy is it?  Around Lake Como?

dave

[M@ximus]

Ciao  Dave!!

This  palm  is  located  on  Lake  Maggiore (lago Maggiore) north Italy

here  the  address  where  I  taked  this pics

with  more info( is  in  Italian  , but enaugh clear !! )

Ciao  Merry  Christmas  M@x

http://www.gardapalme.it/pagine/lago.htm

[DoomsDave]

That's pretty far in il Norte!

Very very borderline, and a testiment to toughness!

dave

[PalmGuyWC]

Dave, I agree with you.  In N. Italy the day temps prob don't get high enough for max growth, but it's a testimony of how tough Jubaeas are.  I donated one years ago to the Oakland Palmatum, and it's the same age as the ones I have in Walnut Creek.  Because of the cooler temps. in Oakland, the palm there is only half the size of the ones I have.

I noticed the ones planted near the water and the freeway in San Diego look a little "stubby" too.  I'm sure my summertime day temps. are much higher. I think the ingrediants for growing Jubaeas are hot days, cool nights, plenty of water in the summer....and patience.

Dick

[PalmGuyWC]

One more "aside" about Jubaeas....and then I'll shut up....maybe!  When people see my Jubaeas for the first time, their inclination is to walk up and give it a "hug." I guess size does matter.

The old leaf scars on the trunk look like a human smile and my garden guy calls them the "smiley" palm.

One other serious observation:  As soon as the weather turns warm here, the lower two ranks of fronds turn yellow, and if not removed turn brown in the first month of warm weather.  That's when I trim them.  If I wait to long, the leaf bases get very hard and are difficult to saw off.

The old leaf bases remain on the trunk for about 2 years and they usually are full or debris and critters...like earth worms.  The organic matter soon rots the leaf bases, and they are easy to pull off in a couple of years. I usually rip them off in the spring, maybe with the help of a hand saw to cut the few remaining fibers to keep from damaging the trunk.  This gives me the illusion that I have another foot or two of woody trunk. (Yeah, I know, I'm nuts but I have a lot of company).

Dick

[BS Man about Palms]

After I saw my first one, I called it the "Hug Me" palm...

[Kris]

(M@ximus @ Dec. 21 2006,13:05)

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Dear  kris_

I'm  growing  hundreds(is  correct)  of  Jubaea

and is  a pleasure for  me    to  push  many  friends   to  plant 2 or 3 Jubaea on his  garden . Naturally  for free

because  if  I  go  to  ask  money  , the interest    for  this palm suddenly  vanish!!

here  a pics  with  some  seeds  collected  To  RBG

the  first   week  of  september 06

You  can  see  on  right   about  30% of  seeds  are  already germinated

Ciao Kris.

Dear Maximus  

I need not say it again as to how impressed iam to

hear that you are trying to propogate those palms

through you friends & that too for free !

But i do not wish to give it to my friends since they are

not seroius about my love for plants.and there is a wide

belief easy come easy go.so any thing that comes free

people do not value as a presious one.

so iam giving my small saplings to goverment instutions,

parks,educational instutions & high-ways departments &

few nurseries who have lots of space to spare.

but since the seeds germination ratio is preety small iam

going bit slow in my endavour.as you mentioned i do it for

free since it should not discourage the people from planting or

refrain from trying these foregien species on indian soil.

the madagascar boaboabs trees also attracts me very much.

but none has germinated so far.but i have one sapling bought

from a nursery.but the veriety is not known yet.

thanks Guys for those lovely stills on cheliean wine palm seeds

& saplings.

Love,

Kris(India).

[DoomsDave]

(BS, Man about Palms @ Dec. 22 2006,09:52)

QUOTE

After I saw my first one, I called it the "Hug Me" palm...

Only a giant can hug one that's happy.

They're literally six feet (2 m) in diameter, or 18 feet (6 m) in circumference!

dave

[Nigel]

When I bought my Jubaea and planted it, the palm had long graceful leaves as it had come from Chile.

Within 18 months the crown had shrunk to look exactly like the one in the picture as it adapted to being planted in a cold damp UK garden.

Four years on, and the leaves are getting bigger and bigger almost back to how they should look, and its much colder here than in that location in italy.

That is why I am sure that palm is recently planted and once establsihed will regain its former size. I only hope that it does not cause a `bottleneck` in the trunk.

here is mine, and yes I know its close to the house, but my plan is for the leaves to cover the small roof above in a few years.

Here is a pic of when it was planted in 2002.

[chris.oz]

Nigel,

Is that the Jub you photographed in the middle of the lawn 2 years ago ?

It has grown very considerably.    What is the base diameter now ?

[M@ximus]

Nigel !!

I  think  in  a few  Years  You  have  to  take  

a  choise!!

Or  Palm   or  house1

My  option  is  Palm

M@x

[Mark Heath]

Nigel,

What a fantastic specimen!  Your post and pic gives me hope for my Jubaea here in Orlando Florida.  It's base is about the size of a soccer ball.  It' been in the ground for 8 months and is doing great.  I know you have alot of humidity in the UK, as do i in FL.   Will be interesting to see how it fairs in the heat here.  I got the largest one i could, seedlings are just too weak to make it here.

[Nigel]

(Mark Heath @ Dec. 23 2006,07:15)

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Nigel,

What a fantastic specimen!  Your post and pic gives me hope for my Jubaea here in Orlando Florida.  

For those that think Jubaea is slow I have added a pic above of the palm from 2002 when it was planted.

The UK is not a warm country, yet this palm seems to do relatively well during our cool, cloudy and damp summers.

I am sure it will grow much faster in a warmer temperate climate.

[Kris]

(M@ximus @ Dec. 23 2006,07:04)

QUOTE

Nigel !!

I  think  in  a few  Years  You  have  to  take  

a  choise!!

Or  Palm   or  house1

My  option  is  Palm

M@x

Yes even iam of the same opnion,i feel that you

transplant it to a central location of your garden.

or else you will have to remove it using 6 to 8 ton

crane and will get big bill too.

Hey that is a jamboo amoung palms_Beware of it folks !

90 % of these heavy guys are often felled by the next

generation for its hindrence etc..

so folks place it in a place where it will be never touched

by forth comming tenents & grandchildrens.

Love,

Kris.

[Exotic Life]

Wow, That's a nice growth and also a nice palm ! I don't know that the have that speed in the colder country's over here ... Maybe i must plant here in the garden also a Jubeae ...

Nigel do you know more Jubeae's like this in England ? I can't remember a Jubeae like this in Holland ...

[DoomsDave]

Nigel!

You rock!

But that Jube is too close to your place!

dave

[Nigel]

I wish I hadnt posted my pic now !!!

[Kev Spence]

Here is a pic of my Jub from Oct this year and as you can see it is sending up smaller leaves but hopefully soon it will take off with full size leaves like Nigel's wonderful specimen.

It is at the moment developing a 4.5 foot spear for next year.  

kev

Btw Max nice pic looks a nice fat trunked Jub.

[Exotic Life]

(Kev Spence @ Dec. 23 2006,17:23)

QUOTE

Here is a pic of my Jub from Oct this year and as you can see it is sending up smaller leaves but hopefully soon it will take off with full size leaves like Nigel's wonderful specimen.

It is at the moment developing a 4.5 foot spear for next year.  

kev

Btw Max nice pic looks a nice fat trunked Jub.

Kev,

I can't see the picture ?

Robbin

[Gaston in Argentina]

(Nigel @ Dec. 23 2006,04:24)

QUOTE

When I bought my Jubaea and planted it, the palm had long graceful leaves as it had come from Chile.

Within 18 months the crown had shrunk to look exactly like the one in the picture as it adapted to being planted in a cold damp UK garden.

Four years on, and the leaves are getting bigger and bigger almost back to how they should look, and its much colder here than in that location in italy.

That is why I am sure that palm is recently planted and once establsihed will regain its former size. I only hope that it does not cause a `bottleneck` in the trunk.

here is mine, and yes I know its close to the house, but my plan is for the leaves to cover the small roof above in a few years.

Here is a pic of when it was planted in 2002.

Wow!

Fantastic Jubaea Nigel and Kev.- Also the screen pictured look to be any tropical place, but not England.-

Merry christmast. Gaston

[Zac in NC]

(BS, Man about Palms @ Dec. 22 2006,09:52)

QUOTE

After I saw my first one, I called it the "Hug Me" palm...

Which is exactly what I did the first time I saw a mature one at The Huntington, was get Richard to take my picture showing the Jub some love.

Zac

[Kris]

(Zac in NC @ Dec. 23 2006,18:58)

QUOTE

I hope one day my grandchild will hug this

Jubae that i plant_'May God Be With Me' in my

endavour !

Kris.

[Exotic Life]

(Zac in NC @ Dec. 23 2006,18:58)

QUOTE

(BS @ Man about Palms,Dec. 22 2006,09:52)

QUOTE

After I saw my first one, I called it the "Hug Me" palm...

Which is exactly what I did the first time I saw a mature one at The Huntington, was get Richard to take my picture showing the Jub some love.

Zac

Wow, What a trunc size !

[Nigel]

Zac, what is your shoe size , you seem to have very large feet, or is it an illusion caused by the jubaea trunk ???