strange finds at Jungle Music

[JD in the OC]

I bought this one as "Dypsis leptocheilos hybrid" from Jungle Music.  Phil said a batch of seed came in labeled as such and was probably collected from a Teddy Bear that "looked different" and could have been a hybrid.

I thought the leaflets looked a little funny in that they have a sharp angle against the petiole, unlike a leptocheilos which usually has more of a 90 degree angle.  The leaflets are also very thin and spaced apart quite wide.  The palm is not "stretched" because it was growing out in the open in his coldframe.  Any thoughts?

Also, here is a Dypsis malcomberi I bought from him with mealy bug speckling on the petioles, much like the infamous Dypsis mananjarensis.  Does anyone else's malcomberi exhibit this?  Does it grow out of it when older?

Thanks everyone!

JD

[Dypsisdean]

JD,

I am willing to go out on a limb and say the D. malcomberi you pictured from Jungle Music is the infamous 'Mealy Bug.' I have seen many small ones and I have some of those D. malcomberi from the same batch as yours, and to me they are one in the same.

Now, has it been established without a doubt that Dypsis mananjarensis is the 'Mealy Bug?' I know it says so in the book, but is that still an accepted fact?

[Jeff Searle]

Can't say much about your Teddy Bear. The palm is small and the photos don't really show us enough.

 Your small ones look like they might be the true D. mananjarensis, though.

Jeff

[BS Man about Palms]

JD, I have some of the one from JM as Malcomberi, and they look the same.  My "different" Malcomberi collection is now up to 3!!  

[neoflora]

JD, Don't jump to concussions. I saw D. malcomberi in the wild. It really tripped me up. It has scales or spots very similar to D. manajarensis. The juvenilles I saw very about 3 feet tall. Covered in white meally spots. I still have a picture. If I ever learn how to scan a photo, I will post the picture. I to have several D. malcomberi seedling with markings. Only time will tell. Ron

[Jeff Searle]

Ron,

   You say that you saw D. malcomberi in habitat? Can you explain to us a little what it looks like and how did you base your conclusion that it was definitely D. malcomberi. Did someone there point it out to you, or did you decsribe it by looking at flowers and seed, just wondering.I have several plants that I bought as seed and sprouted. and wonder if they are the real thing or not. I did not see them on my trips to Madagascar while there. Thanks,

Jeff

[elHoagie]

For what it's worth, the seeds I bought as D. malcomberi two years ago have produced seedlings with black spots, not white.

[JD in the OC]

Jack,

All of them have black specks?  

Ron,

I don't know... these "malcomberi" look similar to the mananjarensis I bought from you.  I have heard that several of the large Dypsis have speckling when young?... I'm just going off of the plants I have for comparison, I haven't seen any of them in habitat obviously.  Looks like we need to start another Dypsis thread for "spotted dypsis".

JD

[Utopia Palms]

Here are some photos of Dypsis leptocheilos x decaryi so you know what to look for

[Utopia Palms]

One more, note the red colour in the new spike.

[Walter John]

Hi Clayton

You have any other Dypsis hybrids for sale ?

[neoflora]

Jeff, We were in the zone according to POM. At first we thougt they were Meally bugs. The scales on the juvenilles were similar yet different than manajarensis. No we did not examine any flowers. I am not a botanist. It was a good guess. By the way the crownshafts were bright yellow-orange. Ron

[JD in the OC]

My D. lepto "hybrid" looks a little similar to yours Clayton, I guess....

Have you ever sent any seed out internationally?

[Utopia Palms]

Hi Wal, I think that there are a few natural crosses out there D.Scottiana x Linearis, but I would have to go and check on cultivated ones, if I find any I will put them aside for you. Take it easy Clayton.

[Utopia Palms]

Hi JD, Yes I have sent out 1000s of seeds but I don't think iv'e sent out any "hybrids" Also I forgot that there is a D.Decaryi x out there I think its crossed with D.madagascariensis. You could try Jeff .marcus im sure he got some of the hybrid seed in, thats a few years ago now but. Clayton.

ps here is a photo of it, I also sent one up the coast and i think its now seeding I will check and see if the seed is viable if you like ?

[Utopia Palms]

One more photo of the same plant

[sebastian]

Nice

Dont remember seing a D. decaryi X madagascarensis before but was sure it was possible.

Here's what ive seen or got.

Only written one way etc. D. decaryi X leptocheilos the first name the most dominant in features or possibly palm bearing the seeds?

decaryi X leptocheilos

decaryi X cabadae

decaryi X formely known as ambrositrae (fine leaf)

madagascarensis X decaryi

leptocheilos X madagascarensis (in ground just trunking)

cabadae X letocheilos(in pot,two growing points)

cabadae X madagascarensis

And have seen photo's that look very much like

Lutescens X decaryi

Madagascarensis X lutescens

Still waiting to see a Lutescens X leptocheilos now that would be the perfect comercial palm if possible and it may be possible if Lutscens can cross.

Hint hint clayton : ) you have a forrest of red necks and I suspect many golden canes.

[Utopia Palms]

Hi there Sebastian, And yes I think there are two in the ground of D.leptocheilos x lutesens but they have not started to sucker yet. The Leptocheilos X decaryi that are around 95% leptocheilos was the seed bearer (mother) this sp seems to cross very easy!

[sebastian]

wow! cant wait to see photo's of those one day.

[JD in the OC]

I'm sorry Clayton... but what is the hybrid in the two pics directly above?  It looks to have some white in it ?...

JD

[Utopia Palms]

Hi JD, this cross was D.Decaryi x Lucubensis now D. madagascariensis, so I don't think it will sucker.

Hi there Sebastian, There is one photo I listed in those Dypsis photos a week or so ago, only thing is that I have more of the solitary D.Lutescens flowering than the clumping forms, so I think I would be lucky if these crosses start to clump it would make a nice plant though!. Clayton

[JD in the OC]

Cool!!!

Did you happen to snap a pic of the whole tree?  Feel free to post pics of your other dypsis hybrids :-)

JD

[BS Man about Palms]

(Utopia Palms @ Dec. 18 2006,23:51)

QUOTE

Hi there Sebastian, And yes I think there are two in the ground of D.leptocheilos x lutesens but they have not started to sucker yet. The Leptocheilos X decaryi that are around 95% leptocheilos was the seed bearer (mother) this sp seems to cross very easy!

sounds like Daryls Sp.215...........

[JD in the OC]

You could be right Bill, we'd have to compare photos side-by-side.