what can you tell me about true Dypsis ambositrae ?

[trioderob]

just planted a seeding that was represented as

"true Dypsis ambositrae"

anyone have more info for me ?

[richnorm]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

[Alberto]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

In fact there aren´t two different forms but are now two different species:

1-Dypsis ambositarae (true ambositrae )

2-Dypsis plumosa (was called D.ambositrare for years,later Dypsis fine leaves and ´´fakey ´´)

[richnorm]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

In fact there aren´t two different forms but are now two different species:

1-Dypsis ambositarae (true ambositrae )

2-Dypsis plumosa (was called D.ambositrare for years,later Dypsis fine leaves and ´´fakey ´´)

No no no that is not what I mean at all, let's not go there again! D. plumosa was never the real ambositrae. Neither was Dypsis baronii var kindreo.

cheers

Richard

[trioderob]

I was told that it is a seedling of the exact same typ palm tree thats in the POM book

under ambositrae.

[richnorm]

I was told that it is a seedling of the exact same typ palm tree thats in the POM book

under ambositrae.

The one pictured or the one described?

[trioderob]

I was told that it is a seedling of the exact same typ palm tree thats in the POM book

under ambositrae.

The one pictured or the one described?

they are not the same ????

[Alberto]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

In fact there aren´t two different forms but are now two different species:

1-Dypsis ambositarae (true ambositrae )

2-Dypsis plumosa (was called D.ambositrare for years,later Dypsis fine leaves and ´´fakey ´´)

No no no that is not what I mean at all, let's not go there again! D. plumosa was never the real ambositrae. Neither was Dypsis baronii var kindreo.

cheers

Richard

Okay!!

This from RPS is the real D.ambositrae?

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/DypAmb.shtml

[freakypalmguy]

True has a heel, shows some red in the new spear, and has somewhat closely spaced leaflets.

[richnorm]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

In fact there aren´t two different forms but are now two different species:

1-Dypsis ambositarae (true ambositrae )

2-Dypsis plumosa (was called D.ambositrare for years,later Dypsis fine leaves and ´´fakey ´´)

No no no that is not what I mean at all, let's not go there again! D. plumosa was never the real ambositrae. Neither was Dypsis baronii var kindreo.

cheers

Richard

Okay!!

This from RPS is the real D.ambositrae?

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/pix/DypAmb.shtml

Until someone compares flowers and fruit of the big solitary ones and the small clumping ones (and shares that information publicly) the question will remain open. So far the RPS ones that I have seen possibly appear to be the small ones but we really need another 5 or 10 years to pass to start drawing conclusions. That RPS photo may be of the big ones.

[Pez]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

Arent a lot of sparsely clustering Dypsis (decipiens) usually solitary in habitat? Is it possible that the medium clustering ones (like Jeff Marcus has in his garden) and the larger solitary ones (habitat) are the same?

[Dypsisdean]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

Arent a lot of sparsely clustering Dypsis (decipiens) usually solitary in habitat? Is it possible that the medium clustering ones (like Jeff Marcus has in his garden) and the larger solitary ones (habitat) are the same?

IMO it appears as if the true Ambo does not primarily sucker/clump like the "clumping Dypsis" - lutescens, baronii, etc, but "divides" as does the D. decipiens. Therefore, like D. decipiens, it stands to reason there would be more multi-trunk specimens in cultivation, and many singles (with occasional doubles) in habitat.

Fake Ambo HERE

True Ambo HERE

And recently I have seen a third (and maybe a fourth) palm labeled as Ambo. What fun!!!

[Tyrone]

You should do a search here as this is a much discussed species. In short there currently seem to be two forms which go under this name. One is a small/medium sparsely clustering palm and one is a large palm (see picture on Kew website). Maybe one day these will be separately described but certainly they have very different landscaping uses. The large form may not be in cultivation or only in the hands of very few collectors. Post a picture of yours!

In fact there aren´t two different forms but are now two different species:

1-Dypsis ambositarae (true ambositrae )

2-Dypsis plumosa (was called D.ambositrare for years,later Dypsis fine leaves and ´´fakey ´´)

No no no that is not what I mean at all, let's not go there again! D. plumosa was never the real ambositrae. Neither was Dypsis baronii var kindreo.

cheers

Richard

I know what you mean Richard as we've had this discussion before. You may be right. I think I may have both. I have a "decipiens" that I germinated in 2005 that came in a batch of seed from Madagascar that looks different. It has finer leaflets, and a much more regular leaflet arrangement than all my others, plus it has a white bloom unlike the others. It may be a form of decipiens or it may be the big robust ambositrae. D decipiens and ambositrae are closely allied anyway. I have plenty more true ambositrae from RPS too, so I can compare as time goes on. They're all "slow as molasses in winter" though, but they do fine.

Best regards

Tyrone

[hanapalms]

So I've been growing Dypsis ambositrae from seeds I got from Ortanique a few years ago. What I read a while back was that there is suppose to be some red coloring on the petioles. This one doesn't:

Edited June 30, 2010 by hanapalms

[BS Man about Palms]

Umm William.

It sure looks like an Archontophoenix to me..

[palmislandRandy]

These are 2 seperate plants (planted on a mound, Bill ). Are they the real ambositrae?

Randy

[Jeff Searle]

Here's a pic. of one in habitat from a trip made in 05.

Jeff

[Jeff Searle]

One my time. This was a double that we found. There were very few in the area, and one tall single trunk that had not been cut down.

[trioderob]

jeff-

thanks for the photo

you guys are great.

I will try to post a photo of the seedling to see if it looks right

rob

[Shon]

Thanks for bringing that picture back Jeff I had forgotten about it.

[BS Man about Palms]

Randy. Does it have a heel? Does it have any red on the spear?

And Yes, I concede, Jeff's pic is uber cool.

[JD in the OC]

Aww.. common Jeff.. those are just Christmas Palms with an Asian scale infestation

jk

JD

[palmislandRandy]

Randy. Does it have a heel? Does it have any red on the spear?

And Yes, I concede, Jeff's pic is uber cool.

Yeah, Bill they both have heels, only kinda reddish new spears, but only near the base. I had a smaller one that had much redder petioles. Do they lose the red as they age? That picture with Jeff is what I had in mind when planting these.

[Jeff Searle]

Here's another one in the same habitat area. It was the grandaddy of all ambositraes.

[Surf Guy]

Here are a few pix of Steveo's (Urban Rainforest) true ambo. This is a REALLY nice palm. I have planted two five gallon plants this spring.

[peachy]

And so my children, why has no-one mentioned Dypsis ambositrae sp wild form ?

Second question, what about the photo of the ambo, shambo, fakey, real, wild, whatever on the Pacsoa website. It was only seeing those photos that made me want to get a Dypsis ambo in the first place, never knowing what a minefield I was about to enter.

Peachy

[palmazon]

It's only true if you believe...

[paulgila]

Here's another one in the same habitat area. It was the grandaddy of all ambositraes.

thats awesome jeff.if yer lucky thats where the next survivor will be shot.

[Randall SD]

There were some different opinions on this one when I first posted it asking is it or isn't it back in 2008 (first two photos). It has grown a bit in the past couple of years and whether it is or isn't a true ambositrae it seems to be taking on a very nice form. It will be going into the ground soon.

[Ntheastpalms]

This species of Dypsis has caused many a disagreement with lots of palm enthusiasts here on the board.

Here is a couple of photos of plants that I have collected, both have the Dypsis ambositrae named attached to them.

First is a plant (one of three) that I recieved from Bill Beattie as a tiny seedling about 3 years ago & the seed was collected by himself in Madagascar. This "true" ambositrae is a very slow grower for me.

Please dont take any notice of the marks on the leaves, mealy bugs just love these.

[Ntheastpalms]

This is another palm that I have in my collection that was labelled as Dypsis ambositrae "wild collected" ??. It is a very nice palm & is much faster growing than the other "true" D ambositrae.

This species also has quite a large heel.

[hanapalms]

Umm William.

It sure looks like an Archontophoenix to me..

I thought there was something very familiar about that one; the other is so much slower in growing:

it has some resemblance to the other pics posted. This guy was stashed on a bench with a bunch of slow growers under the partial shade of a Polyandrococos caudescens.

Thanks for steering me out of that chaos BS. I should have recognized that A. alexandrae right off, just that it came disguised as a seed labeled Dypsis ambositrae and then all that Hoo Ha about exactly what a D.ambo is. I think I'm closer to the answer now.

[palmislandRandy]

After all these photos, I can see mine are different! What are mine then? I hope no more decipiens.

Randy

[BS Man about Palms]

Matt- yours in post #30 looks what is known around here as Dypsis kindreo...

[Alberto]

This are my D.ambositrae (RPS) What do you think?

[Alberto]

The petioles are dark red but the little speers are green.

[Alberto]

Another seedling

[Rafael]

This is my smaller seedling.

True or not?

[tikitiki]

Randy yours look like Dypsis albofarinosa. I have a few from Jeff and when i saw yours last week thats what I assumed them to be.

After all these photos, I can see mine are different! What are mine then? I hope no more decipiens.

Randy

[palmislandRandy]

Randy yours look like Dypsis albofarinosa. I have a few from Jeff and when i saw yours last week thats what I assumed them to be.

After all these photos, I can see mine are different! What are mine then? I hope no more decipiens.

Randy

But, but, but it had ambositrae printed right on the pots! I'm so confused.

Randy