Doggy Doings

[Walter John]

Does anybody know if canine droppings etc inhibit palm growth or vice versa ?

[LJG]

I know urine can. Seen what female urine can do to a seedling. I do not see how dog poop could hurt.

I also know what teeth and paws can do too. I have two young German Shepherds. Left them out back. Came back home 5 hours later to find a torn up palm frown/crown shaft and the flowers stalks and fruit scattered everywhere. They some how tore of the crown shaft and frond from a R. sapida. Shredded it. Then went back and tore off the flowers stalks and fruit. Then because that was not enough, they for some reason decided to dig holes all around the roots at the base. Of course I was not to pleased. They now have a fenced in dog area.

[PalmStud]

It hasn't hurt the trees I care for before.

It probably depends on how much. Like great dane vs chiwawa. LOL

[DoomsDave]

Doggy?  Only doggy?

Hmm.

Okay.  Certain friends pee on the palms (people that is) and it doesn't seem to bother them a bit.

Doggy pee is much higher in nitro, so it might make a difference, but without a scientific experiment, who can tell?

dave

[MattyB]

Well well well.  Poop!  My favorite subject.  My dog has pooped (wet poop too) all over my small Chambeyronia before.  I rinsed off what came off with a hose spray and left the reminance there.  It didn't hurt the palm at all.  I've heard that doggie doo isn't ok to use as fertiziler because they are carnivores.  What damage is can do I don't know.  Dog pee, on the other hand, is great for palms and plants.  In my experience, it's comparable to Amonium Sulfate.  The boy dogs lift their legs and sort of spray it around and if the area is watered regularly it will actually accerate growth.  The girl dogs urine is more caustic and they usually squat and drop it in one concentrated spot.  Even if that area is watered the plant usually suffers or dies.  Interestingly enough, if you're still with me, in grass the immediate area encircling the dead area is greener and has grown more than farther out areas. So, it's good fertilizer being dispersed in a potentially harmful manner.

[Kris]

Dear Folks  

my dogs pass their urine on specific targets

like my car tyres,lamp post & specific cement

pots and the main gate.

but they dufficate any where that is dry and clean

and not near the plant area.

if their dropings are not manually removed from the

garden their are worms & tiny bugs growing on that

night soil and in one week time it also becomes mud.

but new unwanted worms like nogutts are produced by

it.

But the real damage my dogs do, is they love lipstick

palms & cycas leaves,they keep bitting all the new sprouts

whenever they play.and small container pots are used as

footballs in their games,hence all small saplings are placed

in over head terrace,here the squriels are taking the work

of 'Jack The Ripper'_so the menace does not end.

Love,

Kris.

[Tyrone]

Dog Poo is meant to be high in phosphorus. At least that's what they told me when I was doing Hort studies. This doesn't normally do anything bad when put on your garden except when you're growing Australian natives that belong to the Bottle brush, and Banksia group of plants and probably many others. Oz soils have almost no phosphorus and Oz native plants are very good at removing the most miniscule amount of phopshorus in the soil. Give them dog poo and they'll OD and die. That's the theory any way. I've never tested it and I don't grow typical Oz natives only palms, some of which are Oz natives, but don't belong to the "low phosphorus growers" group.

regards

Tyrone

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Doggy?  Only doggy?

Hmm.

Okay.  Certain friends pee on the palms (people that is) and it doesn't seem to bother them a bit.

Gee Dave. What kinda parties are you throwing out there at the edge of the I.E. and how can I get invited!

Doug

[DoomsDave]

(NM_PALM_BOY @ Dec. 10 2006,11:01)

QUOTE

Doggy?  Only doggy?

Hmm.

Okay.  Certain friends pee on the palms (people that is) and it doesn't seem to bother them a bit.

Gee Dave. What kinda party's are you throwing out there at the edge of the I.E. and how can I get invited!

Doug

Just happen by, with a keg of well, you know . . .

dave

[deezpalms]

female dog urine can be harmful since it is highly acidic. It used to kill my grass until I spoke with a veterinarian and she told me to add a tablespoon or more of tomato juice to my dogs food to balance it all out and it works!! Not only that, but my dog loved it!

[MattyB]

Dave, I'm missing the key ingredient.  You don't add pee back into the food do you?  What is it?  By the way, if anyone has a dog who needs to drink more water due to bladder stones or something like that, you can give them lite salt/no salt (Potassium Chloride) wrapped up in a little piece of toilet paper and mash it into food and it'll make them more thirsty so they drink more.

[Matt in SD]

Dave,

Your vet told you to give your dog a tablespoon of what??  Oure female dog completely destroyed our backyard with her pee and we're still trying to figure out how to have grass back there and still let the dog run around.  Also I am pretty sure femal dog pee is too basic (not acidic).  Anyways give me the cure!!

Matt

[Don Little]

We used to get tablets from petsmart that would neutralize the urine.  Once we started giving them the tablets poof no more dead grass. can't remember what it was called but if you go to petsmart or probably petco for that matter and asked them i'm sure they will now what it is.

[LJG]

The dead spots are from the nitrogen in their urine. That burns the grass. It is basically just like overfeeding with a chemical lawn fertilizer. Urine has a fairly neutral pH in healthy dogs. Changing the pH to make it more acidic or alkaline could cause problems with your dog (ex ..bladder stones). It is the Nitrogen content and not the pH that kills grass.

How do I know? - After getting asked that year and year again while mowing lawns years back, I decided to ask around. One professor had the best answer. Of course I could have been telling people wrong data all these years.....

[DoomsDave]

LJG!

Nice to meet you!

How about some pictures of your garden, and doggies, too . . .

dave

[LJG]

I have tons. Promised to upload a bunch of stuff to DG too. I am organizing them.

[Matt in SD]

C'mon Dave, what's the magic formula.  I've seen the tablets at the pet store and they are all basically different sources of sulfur (methionine, cysteine).  Based on this, it's hard for me to imagine it is the nitrogen that kills the grass.  Sulfur is a soil acidifier in general so I think that is where I got the idea that it was the low pH.  My wife won't go for feeding our dog anything unusual (even methionine which is just an amino acid) so if there is something a little more foodlike than the pills that would be great.

Matt

[Matt in SD]

OK, I did some googling and it seems like I was right and wrong...check out this site Dog urine effects on lawns

The sulfur (methionine) pills are meant to acidify the urine, however according to these articles, it doesn't work.  It says that the nitrogen is the main reason for the burn and pH has basically no relationship to the burning.  As Matty mentioned, males tend to sprinkle little bits all over the place, which causes less damage then females who squat and release the entire load all at once in one spot.  

Still curious what worked for Dave.

Matt

[deezpalms]

okay I fixed the post. The wonder tonic is tomato juice!!

[Utopia Palms]

Hi Wal, i think you don't have anything to worry about my dogs eat palm seeds as they fall down and redeposit them all over the farm, they all seem to germinate fine to good in fact now its a job to remove these unwanted palms seedling in garden beds!!Do want some dogy "dun-it" seedlings??????

[palmazon]

I'm glad nobody's posting any pictures in this thread

[MattyB]

Tomato juice!!!!! I will try it, thanks Dave.

[DoomsDave]

(deezpalms @ Dec. 11 2006,17:04)

QUOTE

female dog urine can be harmful since it is highly acidic. It used to kill my grass until I spoke with a veterinarian and she told me to add a tablespoon or more of tomato juice to my dogs food to balance it all out and it works!! Not only that, but my dog loved it!

Dogs love a lot of strange things sometimes.  Cat poop, transmission fluid, seriously.

Seriously!

Acccck!

dave

[DoomsDave]

(Matt in SD @ Dec. 11 2006,19:07)

QUOTE

Dave,

Your vet told you to give your dog a tablespoon of what??  Oure female dog completely destroyed our backyard with her pee and we're still trying to figure out how to have grass back there and still let the dog run around.  Also I am pretty sure femal dog pee is too basic (not acidic).  Anyways give me the cure!!

Matt

I think you're right.  It's ammonia, which I think is basically (har har har!) basic.

A big dog, male, femme or herme, is hell on grass anyway.  Schlep-schlep from one side to the other, woof-woof-woof, etc.  Doggie tonails tearing, especially if the dawg is bigger than toy size.  Seriously.  Even a little poodle can raise holy hell.

dave

[Utopia Palms]

Thats right Dave!!  ps I had the best photo but i was not game enough to list it!! The caption would have read , Dypsis,Veitchia and syagrus OK BUT I told you to leave those coconuts alone!!    "Get the picture" pss sorry if I offended anyone

[MattyB]

I don't get it.....was it a picture of poop? or the dog licking himself?  I'm lost......Maybe I'll just decide to be offended so at least I know what I'm doing.  Ok, here goes...

 ???

[Utopia Palms]

Matt I thought you were also responding about my reference to "NOT TO WORRY ABOUT DOG POO"

Sorry if you did not get it !

The photo was of a dog constipated trying very hard to push out a big one - the dogs a rottweiler.

I should have linked it with my last listing to make sure we were all on the same page.

Blame it on my ozzie bad humour!

Clayton

[NM_PALM_BOY]

Hey Dave,

On the subject of "poo", what other stuff have you tested on palms other than what is listed...or is the experimentation done ONLY at your parties!

Doug

PS: When's the next party and what's your address....directions from the I-10 East will be fine!! ::