Palm Stimulants

[nomolos]

Hi

We have seen a few posts on Superthrive and similar products, here is a link about promoting faster overall growth with the use of stimulants.

What does everyone think?

Has anyone tried these things and what are your results?

Stimulants

[Kris]

Dear Sol

I have Superthrive bottle,but i have not tried it yet...No time as of now,but will start experimenting once our winter commences...

But i do use Di amonia phosphate & coconut palm fertilizer they do all the job well !

Love,

kris

[PalmatierMeg]

I've not tried Superthrive because while it gives wildly enthusiastic and cluttered claims of miracle plant growth, it provides no list of contents, info. etc. That always makes me suspicious but some people swear by the stuff. I've used bone meal and a number of transplant solutions to encourage root growth. Here in FL we have pretty tough regulations regarding when and how to apply phosporous and even nitrogen, so anything "super-phosphorous" is probably out of the question. I've used epsom salts but wonder if I should look into more potassium. Somehow, K seems to be odd mineral out in fertilizer mixtures. I also invested in bottles of minor elements and chelated palm nutrients to apply by pressure sprayer. My garden soil is very sandy, rocky and devoid of nutrition.

I'm also branching out into more organic methods of plant nutrition. A couple months ago I bought 1g of fish emulsion (I call it "fish sludge"). After a search, I recently bought 1g of seaweed extract off a US eBay distributor and hope to try it soon on my potted palms. Never tried the willow tea as I know of no accessible willows in Cape Coral or when they might bud. Nor have I tried the ASA. Has anyone else?

That was a very interesting article. I printed it for my files. Thanks for the link.

[Tyrone]

Interesting article Sol. Here in Oz though, I'd stay away from the high P stuff. It will promote root growth, but the leaching into waterways is a big problem in Oz now. But as far as stimulants are concerned, the good ones are mostly in fish/seaweed mixes. I was using a Nutritech product called Black gold which was fish/seaweed and also had added triacantol, the stuff that was in the alfalfa meal in the article. I did an experiment with two batches of seedlings in my spare room. One batch of Chamaedorea tepejilote seed I gave extra heat to 30C, the other I gave no extra heat, but gave them black gold. After a few months I decided to pot them up. The unheated, black gold group had roots about 3 times longer than the heated untreated batch. The overall robustness of the black gold group was instantly apparent. Root and growth stimulants really work.

Best regards

Tyrone

[edric]

Here's what I use, many swear buy it, but it's about 37.00 a gallon with S&H, I use an ounce to a gallon and a half, then about a cup to a one gallon potted palm, about once a month, Ed

http://www.planetnatural.com/site/order.html

[nomolos]

Thanks for the responses

I found a couple more interesting links

Supplements

Supps

[Nick L]

I found this pretty interesting, anyone use these products? http://www.evergreenagriculture.com/index.html

[Wanderanwills]

Interesting article Sol. Here in Oz though, I'd stay away from the high P stuff. It will promote root growth, but the leaching into waterways is a big problem in Oz now. But as far as stimulants are concerned, the good ones are mostly in fish/seaweed mixes. I was using a Nutritech product called Black gold which was fish/seaweed and also had added triacantol, the stuff that was in the alfalfa meal in the article. I did an experiment with two batches of seedlings in my spare room. One batch of Chamaedorea tepejilote seed I gave extra heat to 30C, the other I gave no extra heat, but gave them black gold. After a few months I decided to pot them up. The unheated, black gold group had roots about 3 times longer than the heated untreated batch. The overall robustness of the black gold group was instantly apparent. Root and growth stimulants really work.

Best regards

Tyrone

Hi Tyrone,

Good experient, but to really make sure it was the Black/gold that made the difference, it would be best to have 4 separate treatments;

1. 30C no black/gold,

2. 30C with black/gold,

3. unheated no black/gold,

4. unheated with black/gold.

You can then compare apples with apples because the C. tepejilote may not have like 30C at it roots period, therefore the unheated worked better?

I am not saying you are wrong either.

Keep up the good work.

Food for thought..

Regards

Stephen

[AggiePalms]

What really works to enhance growth and health is Spray-n-Grow, a product from a small family company run by a retired chemist in Rockport TX. It is organic, not a fertilizer or hormone, but they claim a "micronutrient foliar spray". I avoid all products that have "testimonials", but this one works. Palms or petunias, I have always seen bigger faster and healthier growth. I've been using it for 15 + years with positive results.

www.spray-n-grow.com

[edric]

WARNING: Do not spray the crown of your palm trees with anything, unless it's absolutely necessary, Ed

[Manolitus]

What really works to enhance growth and health is Spray-n-Grow, a product from a small family company run by a retired chemist in Rockport TX. It is organic, not a fertilizer or hormone, but they claim a "micronutrient foliar spray". I avoid all products that have "testimonials", but this one works. Palms or petunias, I have always seen bigger faster and healthier growth. I've been using it for 15 + years with positive results.

www.spray-n-grow.com

David,

I went on their web site and it seems the product is geared more towards fruit, vegetables and flowering type plants. You say you have you used it on your palms and other plants ? With good results I presume.

When you have used the product do you do it in combination ? Also, do you only use it on the leaves ?? OR do you throw it in the ground as well.

What I am getting from this thread is that there is so much stuff out there, that it gets a little on the confusing side......

Manny

[Utopia Palms]

we have done trials on the nursery stock potted and garden specimens over the years with liquid fertilizer.

From complete cover of the plants with the fertilizer.

To just ground application to the roots.

To just trunk or stem application.

The results are much of a muchness.

Plants absorb food through all avenues.

Even the most economically application will still give the desired results.

Even on a large garden planting.

If you choose only a ground application it will activate soil micro organizums and be absorb through the roots/double action for your plants.

It is very under rated the benefits of liquid fertilizer applications.

Strongly recommend seaweed/kelp/fish based products.

[Tyrone]

Interesting article Sol. Here in Oz though, I'd stay away from the high P stuff. It will promote root growth, but the leaching into waterways is a big problem in Oz now. But as far as stimulants are concerned, the good ones are mostly in fish/seaweed mixes. I was using a Nutritech product called Black gold which was fish/seaweed and also had added triacantol, the stuff that was in the alfalfa meal in the article. I did an experiment with two batches of seedlings in my spare room. One batch of Chamaedorea tepejilote seed I gave extra heat to 30C, the other I gave no extra heat, but gave them black gold. After a few months I decided to pot them up. The unheated, black gold group had roots about 3 times longer than the heated untreated batch. The overall robustness of the black gold group was instantly apparent. Root and growth stimulants really work.

Best regards

Tyrone

Hi Tyrone,

Good experient, but to really make sure it was the Black/gold that made the difference, it would be best to have 4 separate treatments;

1. 30C no black/gold,

2. 30C with black/gold,

3. unheated no black/gold,

4. unheated with black/gold.

You can then compare apples with apples because the C. tepejilote may not have like 30C at it roots period, therefore the unheated worked better?

I am not saying you are wrong either.

Keep up the good work.

Food for thought..

Regards

Stephen

Hi Stephen, I know what you are saying. It wasn't highly scientific. I did think that, but I had two large containers full of seedlings in my spare room and I kind of got the ball rolling before I turned it into an experiment. They were in 25L white buckets, the kind you use to brew beer in, and I used an electric beer belt around one of them. The outer edge would have been hotter than the centre, but if the temp is what the plants didn't like, they would have been stunted on the outer edge and going well in the middle I would think. From memory there wasn't any real difference in growth from the outer to the inner. The biggest difference was those grown in the blackgold bucket. It wasn't a conclusive experiment but it convinced me anyway. I have found on other plants over the years that the seaweed fish emulsion really boosted plant vigour and health largely because they put on strong roots. With palm seedlings, especially slow finicky Dypsis species, that is a HUGE plus.

The only trouble is, I have so many plants in pots now, I don't have time to walk around with a watering can and give them a weekly feed. I wouldn't have time to go to work.

Best regards

Tyrone

[Tyrone]

we have done trials on the nursery stock potted and garden specimens over the years with liquid fertilizer.

From complete cover of the plants with the fertilizer.

To just ground application to the roots.

To just trunk or stem application.

The results are much of a muchness.

Plants absorb food through all avenues.

Even the most economically application will still give the desired results.

Even on a large garden planting.

If you choose only a ground application it will activate soil micro organizums and be absorb through the roots/double action for your plants.

It is very under rated the benefits of liquid fertilizer applications.

Strongly recommend seaweed/kelp/fish based products.

Hi Clayton,

Glad to see you back here. Your input is much appreciated.

I would have thought that soil application of liquid feed would be the most economical due to the lack of run off out of the pot caused by foliar applications. Would you agree?

Best regards

Tyrone

[Utopia Palms]

we have done trials on the nursery stock potted and garden specimens over the years with liquid fertilizer.

From complete cover of the plants with the fertilizer.

To just ground application to the roots.

To just trunk or stem application.

The results are much of a muchness.

Plants absorb food through all avenues.

Even the most economically application will still give the desired results.

Even on a large garden planting.

If you choose only a ground application it will activate soil micro organizums and be absorb through the roots/double action for your plants.

It is very under rated the benefits of liquid fertilizer applications.

Strongly recommend seaweed/kelp/fish based products.

Hi Clayton,

Glad to see you back here. Your input is much appreciated.

I would have thought that soil application of liquid feed would be the most economical due to the lack of run off out of the pot caused by foliar applications. Would you agree?

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone

tricked you

Clayton's away...........

and I found the newer version of palm talk.

It is Teresa

Yes soil application of liquid feed is the most economical.

PLANT MORE WONDERFUL PALMS AND FEED THE SOLE

[Tyrone]

we have done trials on the nursery stock potted and garden specimens over the years with liquid fertilizer.

From complete cover of the plants with the fertilizer.

To just ground application to the roots.

To just trunk or stem application.

The results are much of a muchness.

Plants absorb food through all avenues.

Even the most economically application will still give the desired results.

Even on a large garden planting.

If you choose only a ground application it will activate soil micro organizums and be absorb through the roots/double action for your plants.

It is very under rated the benefits of liquid fertilizer applications.

Strongly recommend seaweed/kelp/fish based products.

Hi Clayton,

Glad to see you back here. Your input is much appreciated.

I would have thought that soil application of liquid feed would be the most economical due to the lack of run off out of the pot caused by foliar applications. Would you agree?

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone

tricked you

Clayton's away...........

and I found the newer version of palm talk.

It is Teresa

Yes soil application of liquid feed is the most economical.

PLANT MORE WONDERFUL PALMS AND FEED THE SOLE

Hi Teresa

Yes you did trick me.

Best regards

Tyrone