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Pindo Palm spears yellow and weak

Juni Perez

By Juni Perez
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Juni Perez

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Hi!

I have a couple of Pindo palms (B. capitata) and something is very wrong with them. The new spears growing out are yellow and they are so weak they bend over. Normally they've had stiff spears standing out strongly. Can anyone tell me what might be the problem? They did so well all winter, they were out in the cold but had a roof over their heads so they didn't get snowed on or wet. Now that it's warm and new growth is coming up, they look sick. See the pic below:

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

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How cold did you get Juni? Most likely it's latent cold damage. Treat it with hydrogen peroxide in the growing point and hope for the best. Butia are pretty resilient palms.

Good luck,

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Juni Perez Contributor

Juni Perez

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Hi and thanks for responding.

The coldest measure where they were at was 17°F in January, but it remained in the mid to upper twenties throughout February and March, and warmer after that...

Are you suggesting that the crown was affected by that cold and now that it's growing out the damage is showing?

I'll try the Hydrogen Peroxide... thanks.

Gallop Experienced

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I don't think this is cold damage at all. I have two JXB that have been doing the same thing year round, I'm thinking mine are receiving to much over head watering?

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

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I don't think this is cold damage at all. I have two JXB that have been doing the same thing year round, I'm thinking mine are receiving to much over head watering?

It could be that as well, overhead or just too much water, how are you watering it? I see it's in a pot, does the pot have proper drainage holes and is your soil free draining?

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Mark Heath Veteran

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At the palm grove, my Mules that are 5 gallon or smaller have shown this trait many times.

I allways assumed the slow release fertilizer was giving too much of a certain nutrient and not enough of another in the beggining. They allways turned out dark green eventually as all the nutrients were dispursed in time.

That was allways my guess, but maybe it is cold damage!

Now that i have cut down on watering, i'll keep an eye out and see if this happens again.

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Nigel Mentor

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If that pot froze........... now the warmth of spring arrives, the palm wants to grow and its roots are dead.

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Juni Perez Contributor

Juni Perez

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It could be that as well, overhead or just too much water, how are you watering it? I see it's in a pot, does the pot have proper drainage holes and is your soil free draining?

Yes, mine is in a pot. I heat-drilled drainage holes in the bottom before I planted the palms in there.

I rarely watered them during winter, but as soon as warm weather hit, they've been getting water (hose & rain) once or twice a week. If it hasn't rained and I see the dirt is too dry, I water with the hose. I'll reduce water and wait it out to see... thanks!

gsn Veteran

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I'm amazed that your lowest low in Rochester NY was only 17F ,that is only 7 degrees colder than I got in central Florida. Are you sure about that low?

Good luck,I hope the butia recovers for you!

Scott

Titusville, FL

1/2 mile from the Indian River

USDA Zone COLD

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I have one that has been in the ground for two years. It has looked like yours last Spring and this Spring. Last year when it warmed up, it pushed out green healthy fronds behind these yellowing portions. It is doing the same this year. My vote is that it is due to the cold of the Winter.

Older, more mature Pindos (Butia ?? :unsure: ) in my area do not seem to be bothered by the cold.

Jim in Los Altos Grand Master

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If that pot froze........... now the warmth of spring arrives, the palm wants to grow and its roots are dead.

I agree. A pindo in the ground can withstand quite a bit lower temperature than a potted one. That goes for any palm. If the rootball froze solid, I'd be surprised if your pindo makes it. During our all-time record breaking freeze in Dec. 2000, I had pygmy date palms in the ground and in pots. 21F killed the potted ones outright because their rootballs froze. The ones nearby in the ground grew back full canopies by summer.

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Juni Perez Contributor

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I'm amazed that your lowest low in Rochester NY was only 17F ,that is only 7 degrees colder than I got in central Florida. Are you sure about that low?

Good luck,I hope the butia recovers for you!

They were in my back porch with roof, walls, and thin windows; no "real" insulation. I put the pots there to keep them dry from the snow and sprayed them with freezepruf. The outdoors lowest temp in January was -4°F (beat that! Hah!). I kept a thermometer right by them to monitor the temps.

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Juni!

Welcome to our group!

Hmm.

Are your palms IN THE GROUND?

Looks like they're potted.

Okay, sorry. Rochester, is way up north. Far far far north . . ..

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mjff Mentor

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Have you tried pulling on the yellow, weak growth to see if it pulls out? I'm betting it will, and below will be strong green growth topped with a brown tip. If so, cold damage is the culprit.

Martin Farris, San Angelo, TX

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Jul - 92F/69F, Jan - 55F/31F

Lows:

02-03: 18F;

03-04: 19F;

04-05: 17F;

05-06: 11F;

06-07: 13F;

07-08: 14F 147.5 Freezing Degree-Hours http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...ee+hours\;

08-09: 23F;

09-10: 12F 467.6 Freezing Degree Hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 24.2F;

10-11: 13F 1,059.5 Freezing Degree Hours with Strong Winds/Rain/Snow/Sleet, Average Temperature During Freeze 19.4F;

Record low -4F in 1989 (High of 36F that p.m.) 1,125.2 freezing degree hours, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.6F;

Record Freeze 1983: 2,300.3 Freezing Degree Hours with a low of 5F, Average Temperature During Freeze 13.7F.

Juni Perez Contributor

Juni Perez

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Thanks for the welcome Dave.

The only ones planted in ground are my needle palm (which is new) and one of my T. wagnerianus (which is going on its second year - grown from seed). All others are potted, including the two pindos, I just store the potted ones in that back porch in winter so they can keep dry. The in-ground ones get only FreezePruf for now.

Mjff,

I tried pulling and the spears are holding in there pretty strongly and are still growing, just not stiff as normal spears grow and yellowish.

Juni

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Jim in Los Altos Grand Master

Jim in Los Altos

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Thanks for the welcome Dave.

The only ones planted in ground are my needle palm (which is new) and one of my T. wagnerianus (which is going on its second year - grown from seed). All others are potted, including the two pindos, I just store the potted ones in that back porch in winter so they can keep dry. The in-ground ones get only FreezePruf for now.

Mjff,

I tried pulling and the spears are holding in there pretty strongly and are still growing, just not stiff as normal spears grow and yellowish.

Juni

Juni, My experiences with FreezePruf as well as many other members, is poor or worse. The palms I've used it on faired worse in the cold than the ones I left alone. Also, even if it did what it it's supposed to do, it couldn't protect the roots of a potted palm from freezing.

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Juni Perez Contributor

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...even if it did what it it's supposed to do, it couldn't protect the roots of a potted palm from freezing.

That's where I think I went wrong... =/

It's just that since I am renting, my landlord won't allow me to plant all the palms in-ground. I had to almost beg to be able to plant the two that I have in-ground... Once I finally buy a house, I'll definitely make arrangements to have all my palm trees and my Poncirus trifoliata IN GROUND.

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Juni Perez Contributor

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I'm sorry... I never updated this issue. = )

The pindo eventually turned nice and green once again and even grew new leaves throughout the summer. I brought them back into the porch this past weekend after letting them experience temperatures in the mid teens. They did pretty well - I was expecting them to show more leaf damage, but they were only slightly burnt.

Thanks all for your input... looking forward to the next growing season.

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_Keith Grand Master

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Is the Pindo still OK?

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Moose Grand Master

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K-Mag would probably be beneficial for recovery :winkie:

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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