Jump to content
  • WELCOME GUEST

    It looks as if you are viewing PalmTalk as an unregistered Guest.

    Please consider registering so as to take better advantage of our vast knowledge base and friendly community.  By registering you will gain access to many features - among them are our powerful Search feature, the ability to Private Message other Users, and be able to post and/or answer questions from all over the world. It is completely free, no “catches,” and you will have complete control over how you wish to use this site.

    PalmTalk is sponsored by the International Palm Society. - an organization dedicated to learning everything about and enjoying palm trees (and their companion plants) while conserving endangered palm species and habitat worldwide. Please take the time to know us all better and register.

    guest Renda04.jpg

Recommended Posts

Posted

The notion that a palm naturally grows amidst common native-California plants like Monterey pine and toyon in habitat has always been what fascinates me about Guadalupe palms and Guadalupe Island.

I wrote a blog post at the Palm Broker talking about Brahea edulis, the Guadalupe palm, as a kind of California native. Got some good pictures in there, too.

Palm Broker blog

What do you think?

post-1532-12738133107158_thumb.jpg

Jason Dewees

Inner Sunset District

San Francisco, California

Sunset zone 17

USDA zone 10a

21 inches / 530mm annual rainfall, mostly October to April

Humidity averages 60 to 85 percent year-round.

Summer: 67F/55F | 19C/12C

Winter: 56F/44F | 13C/6C

40-year extremes: 96F/26F | 35.5C/-3.8C

Posted

1) California Fan Palm - COLD HARDY (Washingtonia filifera).

The Link !

2) CALIFORNIA QUEEN PALM Syagrus romanzoffianum COLD HARDY

The Link !

.

love conquers all..

43278.gif

.

Posted

W. filifera hands down. Done.

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

Posted

The only references I've seen for Brahea edulis indicate it only comes from Guadalupe so it can't be a California native. Maybe it can become naturalised there, but that's a different thing.

Likewise Syagrus romanzoffianum, a native of Brazil and Argentina.

Posted

California, the state? or California the region, which would include Mexican states of Baja California and Baja California Sur? and Guadalupe Island

Posted

California is a political entity, as are Baja California and Baja California Sur. They're within politically delineated boundaries, not within any natural boundaries. The only natural boundary would be the island of Guadalupe as opposed to the continental/mainland areas.

Posted

You see almost no Brahea's in our Californian similar climate over here. Washingtonia's on the other hand pop up in median strips, street drains and bushland without any irrigation.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

Jason,

California native speaks to me to be only those palms that are native to the state and Baja......if that is the case, only those palms with a natural range inside this are should be considered native. We are lucky to be able to grow almost anything here in the state, but naturalized palms, such as Queens, which will become a pox on the land in newer neighborhoods in the next few years, are not native.....Go with Washingtonias for sure, not so sure of Braheas of any species even though I like em a lot!

John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"

Posted

Jason, did you mean "Native" or "Common" ? (Although they are almost the same I would bet, but not the Brahea on either count)

  • Upvote 1

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

Hmm.

If you mean, the State of California, U.S.A., then I think there's only one, Washie filifera, though I suppose some of the Mexican Braheas might have gotten up into the desert near the Salton sea, since palms aren't political, people are.

If you mean Baja California, there's Baja norte, which is the top half of the peninsula and Baja Sur, the bottom half. For those places, Braheas and Washie robusta, I would think.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Posted

Guadalupe Island is part of the Baja California state.

Posted

Washingtonia Filifera, no questions asked.

Queen palm is from Brazil? Or somewhere in SA.

Milwaukee, WI to Ocala, FL

Posted (edited)

The only palm native of california (usa) is washingtonia filifera.

The 5 palms native of baja california peninsula are washingtonia filifera, washingtonia robusta, brahea armata, brahea brandegeei, brahea edulis. All grow in both states of baja california (norte) and baja california sur, less brahea edulis (only in the island of guadalupe, baja california norte).

Brahea armata grows close to border of california (usa) in these areas (cañon de guadalupe, cañones de la rumorosa), but they never find this palm growing in usa.

Edited by Cristóbal

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

5845d02ceb988_3-copia.jpg.447ccc2a7cc4c6

Posted

Great article Jason, thank you for sharing the link here.

Either I am misunderstanding the responses or I'm afraid most of you are missing the point of the article. There was no assertion that Brahea edulis is literally native to the California/Baja California mainland. Guadalupe Island is just as 'native Californian' as are the Channel Islands north of the border. Together with the mainland these make up the California Floristic Province whose borders are what naturalists and scientists use to more accurately define uniquely Californian ecosystems and their flora. As I understand it, the article is hypothesizing about how appropriate B. edulis is for coastal California considering that it evolved with other very familiar mainland native plant species such as Monterey pine, Manzanita and Toyon, hence its 'native-ness'.

I think it's a wonderful way to think about this palm species.

  • Upvote 1
Posted

Interesting article Jason, Brahea edulis is uniquely suited for California. Ive always hoped to see it planted more often along the Central Coast, along with Parajubaea, rather than the Washingtonia's that I believe look better inland. I was in Aptos, near Santa Cruz, last weekend and the Washies there look like hell.

Here in the Central Valley, Washingtonia's grow like gangbusters, with seeds germinating in the cracks of sidewalks. But they look nothing like the Washingtonia filifera's that Ive seen growing in Indio, CA and the Coachella Valley. The leaves have a glaucous color that Ive not seen in cooler temperatures.

Brahea edulis, on the other hand, look much better, and are growing in any sun orientation. I must admit though, Ive never seen it in habitat.

Glenn

Modesto, California

 

Sunset Zone 14   USDA 9b

 

Low Temp. 19F/-7C 12-20-1990         

 

High Temp. 111F/43C 07-23-2006

 

Annual Average Precipitation 13.12 inches/yr.

 

             

Posted

I see in Ensenada the city they start to plant Brahea Armata as street palm. If you go there see the highway transpeninsula going south to Maneadero, they plant many in the middle of the highway. I think in 10 years this is to look very nice. Brahea Edulis is for me my not favorite palm of the Braheas, but I think I check for it in this highway when I work there in this week.

TEMP. JAN. 21/10 C (69/50 F), AUG. 29/20 C (84/68 F). COASTAL DESERT, MOST DAYS MILD OR WARM, SUNNY AND DRY. YEARLY PRECIPITATION: 210 MM (8.2 INCHES). ZONE 11 NO FREEZES CLOSE TO THE OCEAN.

5845d02ceb988_3-copia.jpg.447ccc2a7cc4c6

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...