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bismarckia hybrid

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Does anyone know if anyone has crossed bismarckia nobilis with another species in an attempt to produce a palm that is more cold hardy?

George

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I'm not sure if I ever heard of any instances of coryphoids hybridizing intergenerically. If it was possible I guess Medemias, Hyphaenes and Satranalas would be close enough to do it. And Hyphaene is the only genus of these that has species that are hardier than a Bismarckia. But a hybrid might end up branching like a Hyphaene, so why not just plant a Hyphaene

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A grower in Naples, FL claims to have a Bismarkia "silver" x "green". I guess it's possible, but not sure if it'd be more cold hardy?..

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I guess it depends on humidity you get in your area, but the best alternative to Bismarckia

IMO is Brahea armata. Mine grows 6-8 leaves per year. Its not slow actually !

chris.oz

Bayside Melbourne 38 deg S. Winter Minimum 0 C over past 6 years

Yippee, the drought is over.

Collectorpalms Grand Master

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Try Sabal Uresana, they are more hardy and just as blue. They need well draining soil, and there is some variability in hardiness, but some are hardy to mid 10s.

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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Got Palms

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Ryan if im not mistaken that is a bismark, but you are correct about the Sable, very beautiful and and more cold hardy than the bismark. Sergio

Collectorpalms Grand Master

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Sergio? Wrong, It is a Sabal Uresana, not a Bismarckia. There are several of them at Peckerwood Gardens in Hempstead where I took the picture. Most of all the plants are grown from seeds the guys at Yucca do collected. They are all labeled as well.

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

JD in the OC Grand Master

JD in the OC

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Ryan,

I've never seen a S. uresana that white.. and I've seen S. uresana in habitat twice. Are you certain that's what it is?

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Kailua_Krish Veteran

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The palm Ryan put up most definitely appears to be a Sabal ( deeply costapalmate leaves) and as uresana are the only blue/white Sabals it must be it. I have heard that these vary in blueness/whiteness according to populations and it appears that Peckerwood Gardens hit the jackpot. I would love to get some seeds from that tree if/when it starts seeding...

Of course this is all IMHO

-Krishna

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Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

Collectorpalms Grand Master

Collectorpalms

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The Sabal Uresana silver blue color (not white) at Perckerwood Gardens will blow you away. I believe all the ones I saw there looked good after this winter. Whereas the Mule, one of the original plants into Texas was defoliated, not sure of its status. However, up the hill at the old Yucca Do nursery, there were two Sabals that were badly damaged, and then at Texas A&M there were two side by side, and one defoliated ( but lives), and one was untouched. I belive that they have already flowered at Peckerwood gardens, they have grown several feet now, and they have at least 6 or more nice big ones.

Ryan

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

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Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Sabal Uresana..!!! :drool:

love conquers all..

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Kris Grand Master

Kris

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A grower in Naples, FL claims to have a Bismarkia "silver" x "green". I guess it's possible, but not sure if it'd be more cold hardy?..

Yes,even i wanted to ask is this conbination possible and any visuals of it ? :hmm:

love conquers all..

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I have some Bismarckia seedlings that didn't get damaged by the long cold spell this winter. I grew them from seed given out at Palm Fest in Ft Lauderdale several years ago. About half came up silver and half were blueish green. I still have a few of the blue/green plants. They were next to my unheated garage so somewhat protected from the north wind. The Syagrus romanzoffiana plants next to them were burned.

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Cikas Mentor

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Does anyone know if anyone has crossed bismarckia nobilis with another species in an attempt to produce a palm that is more cold hardy?

Borassodendron, Borassus, Hyphaene, Latania, Lodoicea, Medemia and Satranala are in same tribe ( Borasseae ) as Bismarckia.

That means that Bismarckia is more closely related to palm species from these genres, than any other. So to produce hybrids, you must try species from these genres.

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_Keith Grand Master

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I have some Bismarckia seedlings that didn't get damaged by the long cold spell this winter. I grew them from seed given out at Palm Fest in Ft Lauderdale several years ago. About half came up silver and half were blueish green. I still have a few of the blue/green plants. They were next to my unheated garage so somewhat protected from the north wind. The Syagrus romanzoffiana plants next to them were burned.

Seems I have 2 of those now. Definite greenish blue tint. They were unfazed by the last winter. I put them up on PT a while back. Consensus was they may be Sabals, exact identity unknown.

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Mauna Kea Cloudforest

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Keith, check for the heel, I am pretty sure you have sabals.

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Al in Kona Grand Master

Al in Kona

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I have a fairly young Sabal uresana that is quite blue (see pic). It made it thru our winter low of 55 degrees F. without a problem!

Actually, I'm posting it for the blue color. This is probably my favorite Sabal species.

Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

Nice sunsets!

Al in Kona Grand Master

Al in Kona

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I have a fairly young Sabal uresana that is quite blue (see pic). It made it thru our winter low of 55 degrees F. without a problem!

Actually, I'm posting it for the blue color. This is probably my favorite Sabal species.

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Hawaii Island (Big Island), leeward coast, 19 degrees N. latitude, south Kona mauka at approx. 380m (1,250 ft.) and about 1.6 km (1-mile) upslope from ocean.

 

No record of a hurricane passing over this island (yet!).  

Summer maximum rainfall - variable averaging 900-1150mm (35-45") - Perfect drainage on black volcanic rocky soil.  

Nice sunsets!

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