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Palm Beach florida Palms 1905

junglegalfla

By junglegalfla
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sarasota alex Veteran

sarasota alex

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Great photograph! This looks like the old entrance to the Breakers hotel, before it burned down. BTW, The Breakers has a great collection of palms planted a while ago, so almost all of them are mature and tall. If you want to check it out, you could just drive up to the entrance, valet the car and walk around.

Palmateer Community Regular

Palmateer

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Excuse me, but a close look at the leaves of the coconuts suggests recent freeze damage.

Tom
Mid-Pinellas (St. Petersburg) Florida, USA

Member of Palm Society 1973-2012
Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum development 1977-1991
Chapter President 1983-84
Palm Society Director 1984-88

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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Looking at that picture suggests that the photograph may have been taken at Flagler's other Hotel, the Royal Poincianna, that also burned down but was never built back.It is definitely Winter. I have noticed in old pictures that they did not trim coconut palms the way they do now.Need to check and see if 1905 was a cold one!

What you look for is what is looking

epicure3 Grand Master

epicure3

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That's an awesome pic. Great quality too.

Coastal San Diego, California

Z10b

Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean

warm summer/mild winter

Jeff Searle Grand Master

Jeff Searle

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Bren,

What a great picture of the past! It looks like maybe a large oleander bush growing off to the left and behind the palm(center)a Norfolk Island tree. Those were the days....

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

palmsOrl Grand Master

palmsOrl

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Palmateer, I immediately thought the exact same thing, they all look completely fried. That is a bit surprising for Palm Beach, was that located on the barrier island? Still, it's a really terrific photo, thank you for sharing.

-Michael

FRITO Grand Master

FRITO

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Yeah the cocos look fried! Still a great photo, only a palm nut would be able to point out that the palms had cold damage.

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

North Florida Palm Society - http://palmsociety.blogspot.com/

rozpalm Mentor

rozpalm

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The all time low in Palm Beach Florida was Jan 26, 1905 where the temp hit 26deg. The second coldest day was Jan 20, 1977, the day it snowed there and hit 27deg.

Ron

Wellington, Florida

Zone 11 in my mind

Zone 10a 9a in reality

13miles West of the Atlantic in Palm Beach County

Zeeth Grand Master

Zeeth

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The all time low in Palm Beach Florida was Jan 26, 1905 where the temp hit 26deg. The second coldest day was Jan 20, 1977, the day it snowed there and hit 27deg.

Well, now we know why they are all fried!

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

bubba Grand Master

bubba

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Ron, Are you sure it was not Lethal Yellowing? Also my understanding is that 26F. was actually taken at an Official Station located out in the Glades because it was many years before PBI(still a cold-hole).Great work to pull that one out!

What you look for is what is looking

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Bren- You should post a reply under the pic regarding the "frozen coco's".

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

rozpalm Mentor

rozpalm

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Ron, Are you sure it was not Lethal Yellowing? Also my understanding is that 26F. was actually taken at an Official Station located out in the Glades because it was many years before PBI(still a cold-hole).Great work to pull that one out!

Sorry, I should have posted my sources:

Here is the all time hi/lo for Palm Beach (zip code 33480 which confirms the 26deg)

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/33480?locid=33480

and Palm Beache's Old Newspaper (scroll down to look ahead to January) where I found the reference:

http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/weather1/

Also, I didn't think LY made it into Palm Beach County until sometime in the late 60's or early 70's. I remember it so vividly as a child when our +50' tall Coconut palms around our house died one by one.

Ron

Wellington, Florida

Zone 11 in my mind

Zone 10a 9a in reality

13miles West of the Atlantic in Palm Beach County

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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Very nice picture.

It seems (from the trunk, right side) that this cocos also went through a similar stress some five to ten years before the picture was taken. The Phoenix (dactylifera?) and Sabal (bermudana?) look perfect though...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Ron, Are you sure it was not Lethal Yellowing? Also my understanding is that 26F. was actually taken at an Official Station located out in the Glades because it was many years before PBI(still a cold-hole).Great work to pull that one out!

LY's a recent thing, alas.

I saw some pics of scores of tall cocos that all died en masse, looking like tall tipsy telephone poles . . . .

SO SAD! :(

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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hERE'S another . . . .

click here

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Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Zeeth Grand Master

Zeeth

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hERE'S another . . . .

click here

Look at that curvy coconut, a young Jamaican tall. I sure wish LY didn't take so many of them out. I can say that even though they look injured after 26F, they probably all lived, but I don't think Malayan dwarves would have had such luck. From what I see here, 27F seems to be the spear killing temp.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

Palmateer Community Regular

Palmateer

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Yes, not until early 1970s.

I didn't think LY made it into Palm Beach County until sometime in the late 60's or early 70's.

Tom
Mid-Pinellas (St. Petersburg) Florida, USA

Member of Palm Society 1973-2012
Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum development 1977-1991
Chapter President 1983-84
Palm Society Director 1984-88

Eric in Orlando Grand Master

Eric in Orlando

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The bare tree looks to be Bombax or Ceiba pentandra.

Eric

Orlando, FL

zone 9b/10a

junglegalfla Veteran

junglegalfla

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Wow this thread has really taken off since I last checked. I was wondering if anyone would notice those fried fronds. Thank to Jeff & Eric for those other IDs and to Ron & Bubba & the rest for that additional info, ie. weather, location etc

Dave,

Another great shot. I just love that bicycle! I can get lost in that site...so much to look at

Bren

Bren in South St. Pete Florida

DCA_Palm_Fan Mentor

DCA_Palm_Fan

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Excuse me, but a close look at the leaves of the coconuts suggests recent freeze damage.

Hahahaha!!! I thought the exact same thing within seconds of looking at the photo! LOL! Were all nutty palm nuts! That is a fantastic photo though. You don't see too many that are from that era that are such high quality. Great stuff!

Palmateer Community Regular

Palmateer

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These old Palm Beach specimens don't look that great either:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7710?size=_original

Tom
Mid-Pinellas (St. Petersburg) Florida, USA

Member of Palm Society 1973-2012
Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum development 1977-1991
Chapter President 1983-84
Palm Society Director 1984-88

rozpalm Mentor

rozpalm

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These old Palm Beach specimens don't look that great either:

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7710?size=_original

Most likely if the pic is from 1904, the trees are messed up from a cat 1 Hurricane that hit Palm Beach County in 1903. If the cold doesn't kill our stuff, there is always 'cane season.

1903_Atlantic_hurricane_3_track.png

Ron

Wellington, Florida

Zone 11 in my mind

Zone 10a 9a in reality

13miles West of the Atlantic in Palm Beach County

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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These old Palm Beach specimens don't look that great either:

http://www.shorpy.co...?size=_original

The interesting thing I noticed is the woman in about the center in the dark dress must have been Avant Garde for her time. From what I can see she is the ONLY woman in the picture not wearing a hat!!!:o

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Succulentum Rising Star

Succulentum

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The interesting thing I noticed is the woman in about the center in the dark dress must have been Avant Garde for her time. From what I can see she is the ONLY woman in the picture not wearing a hat!!!:o

and why she has a black dress, she is the only one. these 3 people look like different for me. more poor(less money) people ?

Jean-bernard

crazy sower

city : Nantes, France,

Surf Guy Experienced

Surf Guy

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Awesome! I love old pix.

Mike Hegger

Northwest Clairemont

San Diego, California

4 miles from coast

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