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Tampa Scott

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Tampa Scott Mentor

Tampa Scott

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I have not posted these pictures here before so I thought I would share them. Last June a clump of the multi-heads fell to the ground (pic1). Note the roots in pic2, for fun I potted the clump in a large pot. Pictures 3 & 4 shows as it looks now.

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Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

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I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Kris Grand Master

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Dear Scott :)

Nice visuals..Iam really curious to know,will it start a new life all togather ? :hmm:

Keep this thread active with updates please !

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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John Case Grand Master

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Species, please..........please..

John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"

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Species, please..........please..

It sure does look alot like a Queen Palm (Syagrus romanzoffiana)to me.

So this fell off the top of a mature tree??? Thats very interesting to me. Ive never seen that before. Even more interesting is that it has rootlets. The main large crown looks healthy too! I so sooo many queen palms around St. Petersburg/ Tampa that had queen palm frizzle top it wasnt funny. My friends place in St. Pete has a nice queen in his front yard, and its doing great, the neighbors looks like it is getting frizzle top, and a few across the street are not looking good and one has died since my last trip down in Sept.

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

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Really weird, but cool Scott.

His title says it' a S. rom freak guys.

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Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Tampa Scott Mentor

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Dear Scott smilie.gif

Nice visuals..Iam really curious to know,will it start a new life all togather ? rock.gif

Keep this thread active with updates please !

Thanks & Love,

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Kris, Here is a picture showing a root that emerged from the pot drainage hole in Aug. The palm resumed growth in Sept and added a few more growing points. It is ready for its new life in the ground.

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Tampa Scott Mentor

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Species, please..........please..

It sure does look alot like a Queen Palm (Syagrus romanzoffiana)to me.

So this fell off the top of a mature tree??? Thats very interesting to me. Ive never seen that before. Even more interesting is that it has rootlets. The main large crown looks healthy too! I so sooo many queen palms around St. Petersburg/ Tampa that had queen palm frizzle top it wasnt funny. My friends place in St. Pete has a nice queen in his front yard, and its doing great, the neighbors looks like it is getting frizzle top, and a few across the street are not looking good and one has died since my last trip down in Sept.

The palm fell from the top of my mature multi-headed S romanzoffiana. It itself is a freak having 20+ growing points. This picture was taken after the drop, plenty heads left up there.

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Zeeth Grand Master

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Very weird. It would be interesting to see if this will produce a true clustering queen. I say find a good spot and plant it, and divide it up every once in a while and sell/give the pieces away. You could be the originator of a brand new to the market palm.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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Very weird. It would be interesting to see if this will produce a true clustering queen. I say find a good spot and plant it, and divide it up every once in a while and sell/give the pieces away. You could be the originator of a brand new to the market palm.

Zeeth, I will be parting ways from this palm soon as I have found a home for it. I will give you the next clump to fall.

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Very weird. It would be interesting to see if this will produce a true clustering queen. I say find a good spot and plant it, and divide it up every once in a while and sell/give the pieces away. You could be the originator of a brand new to the market palm.

Zeeth, I will be parting ways from this palm soon as I have found a home for it. I will give you the next clump to fall.

Cool, thanks! It will be interesting to see how these clumps grow into adulthood

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

FRITO Grand Master

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Very interesting story thus far! It needs a cool name like Syagrus romanzoffiana 'Cousin It'

Ill will keep everyone update in the future of this palm. It will be interesting if it continues to produce suckers, and will the offspring be a true clustering queen?

Luke

Tallahassee, FL - USDA zone 8b/9a

63" rain annually

January avg 65/40 - July avg 92/73

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This has to be one of the "coolest" palm things I have run across. Ive seen a few anomalous palms (split or "branching") but Ive never really seen anything like this. The fact that the clump that fell had "roots" is really very strange to me. So the top that broke and fell was "rooting" as if it was placed into some sort of growing medium, while it was still attached to the original tree. Very interesting in deed. It really gets my wheels turning as to what would cause this. Some kind of injury? Some sort of illness? Some sort of genetic anomaly? I mean, what would cause the apical meristem to divide in such a manor? I know there are some branching palms like Hyphaene thebaica, but this doesn't really seem to be "branching" like the Hyphaene thebaica. It is just... well... very strange. :blink:

Please do keep this thread going and keep us updated on it.

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This has to be one of the "coolest" palm things I have run across. Ive seen a few anomalous palms (split or "branching") but Ive never really seen anything like this. The fact that the clump that fell had "roots" is really very strange to me. So the top that broke and fell was "rooting" as if it was placed into some sort of growing medium, while it was still attached to the original tree. Very interesting in deed. It really gets my wheels turning as to what would cause this. Some kind of injury? Some sort of illness? Some sort of genetic anomaly? I mean, what would cause the apical meristem to divide in such a manor? I know there are some branching palms like Hyphaene thebaica, but this doesn't really seem to be "branching" like the Hyphaene thebaica. It is just... well... very strange. blink.gif

Please do keep this thread going and keep us updated on it.

The original palm started the multi-heads in 2002, do not know what caused the branching to begin. The palm was a very nice normal looking palm up untill then. It has raised alot of questions in my head also. I have known Luke (Frito) for some time now and he is young, energetic enough to follow the progress of the rooted clump in the future.

I am sure Luke will give updates once he gets it and plants it in the ground. The complete progress of the palm is on the "Palmpedia" website in the General Palm Discussions.

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This has to be one of the "coolest" palm things I have run across. Ive seen a few anomalous palms (split or "branching") but Ive never really seen anything like this. The fact that the clump that fell had "roots" is really very strange to me. So the top that broke and fell was "rooting" as if it was placed into some sort of growing medium, while it was still attached to the original tree. Very interesting in deed. It really gets my wheels turning as to what would cause this. Some kind of injury? Some sort of illness? Some sort of genetic anomaly? I mean, what would cause the apical meristem to divide in such a manor? I know there are some branching palms like Hyphaene thebaica, but this doesn't really seem to be "branching" like the Hyphaene thebaica. It is just... well... very strange. blink.gif

Please do keep this thread going and keep us updated on it.

The original palm started the multi-heads in 2002, do not know what caused the branching to begin. The palm was a very nice normal looking palm up untill then. It has raised alot of questions in my head also. I have known Luke (Frito) for some time now and he is young, energetic enough to follow the progress of the rooted clump in the future.

I am sure Luke will give updates once he gets it and plants it in the ground. The complete progress of the palm is on the "Palmpedia" website in the General Palm Discussions.

Very cool! Thanks! Im also very curious to follow the "parent" palm that you have as well to see what it continues to do. Is it going to continue to like "frizz out" and produce lots of plants on that one messed up crown, or will it actually branch? Interesting stuff for sure!

Kris Grand Master

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Dear Scott :)

Thanks for the new stills & explination...In that case these should put out seeds may be in a couple of years.Since they are mature queen tissue clump ? :hmm:

Anyway keep us updated about this mature dwarf !

Thanks & Love,

kris :)

love conquers all..

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Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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You might want to allow someone like Ken Johnson to come and dig out the mother palm or put a price on it for others here that might be interested in obtaining such a freak. The new owners of your property (when you sell) might not want to keep it around and it could meet an untimely fate. Just for %$# and giggles....how much would you sell the mama for?

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

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Very, very interesting. So is this specimen (and the "pup") unique among S. romanzoffianas? It looks like it's from Three Mile Island! :huh:

-Michael

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Queens do that branching business more often than you might think.

We have a spectacular specimen here in La Habra, right near the Green Burrito on Whittier Booley . . . .

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Queens do that branching business more often than you might think.

We have a spectacular specimen here in La Habra, right near the Green Burrito on Whittier Booley . . . .

Got a pic of it?

Its not the "branching" that I find so strange, its the "clumping", and "air rooting" that this one was/ is doing in a crown of what must be 15-20 heads. Ive seen branching ones before. In fact there is a nice branched one at Gizella Kopsick Palm Arboretum in downtown St. Petersburg, FL that I check on each time I visit my friend in St. Pete. Here it is as photographed last week on my trip down:

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Tampa Scott Mentor

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You might want to allow someone like Ken Johnson to come and dig out the mother palm or put a price on it for others here that might be interested in obtaining such a freak. The new owners of your property (when you sell) might not want to keep it around and it could meet an untimely fate. Just for %$# and giggles....how much would you sell the mama for?

I would trade it for a nice trunking Sabal to put in its place. The palm is located about 10' from the driveway and house. I really do not want it to grow larger and drop more clumps. The clump that fell missed my truck by a few feet. When the winds are blowing out of the east I do not park near it. I have thought about cutting it down.

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Here is a picture of the original S.rom taken in May 2002 as the mutation was starting.

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Here is a picture of the original S.rom taken in May 2002 as the mutation was starting.

Wow, that thing even looked wild and strange back then! I sure hope that you keep it, or if you do not, that it gets moved to a home where it will live as long as possible so we can all see what it eventually does. :)

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Look what I found this morning ! Pic #3 shows it already has roots. #4 shows what is left up there. I am going to have to have this thing removed.

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Zeeth Grand Master

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Look what I found this morning ! Pic #3 shows it already has roots. #4 shows what is left up there. I am going to have to have this thing removed.

Zeeth, I will give you the next clump to fall.

:drool:

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Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

palmsOrl Grand Master

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Cool! At least wait until there are no more pups left in the crown before you remove it. Does it look like the mother palm is going to get rid of its entire crown in this fashion?

-Michael

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Look what I found this morning ! Pic #3 shows it already has roots. #4 shows what is left up there. I am going to have to have this thing removed.

Zeeth, I will give you the next clump to fall.

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I said to myself when I saw it on the ground " Zeeth is going to be happy" Put in a pot for you wink-1.gif . This one has 6 nice heads.

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Cool! At least wait until there are no more pups left in the crown before you remove it. Does it look like the mother palm is going to get rid of its entire crown in this fashion?

-Michael

It looks as it may just do that.angry.gif I guess it is just not enough space up there

Zeeth Grand Master

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I said to myself when I saw it on the ground " Zeeth is going to be happy" Put in a pot for you wink-1.gif . This one has 6 nice heads.

Cool! Hopefully it grows into adulthood looking something like a Dypsis lutescens with Syagrus romanzoffiana heads.

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

Tampa Scott Mentor

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I said to myself when I saw it on the ground " Zeeth is going to be happy" Put in a pot for you wink-1.gif . This one has 6 nice heads.

Cool! Hopefully it grows into adulthood looking something like a Dypsis lutescens with Syagrus romanzoffiana heads.

And if you want the tall one, come and dig it out. Its got to go.

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Alicehunter2000 Grand Master

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Somebody go down there and relieve Scott of that palm before he breaks out the chainsaw!

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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Weird but cool. Never seen a queen do that before.

David

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If you take it down and have some extra heads I would be happy to relieve you of one clump :drool:

-Krishna

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Kailua, Oahu HI. Near the beach but dry!

Still have a garden in Zone 9a Inland North Central Florida (Ocala)

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If you take it down and have some extra heads I would be happy to relieve you of one clump drool.gif

-Krishna

Krishna, I will let you know if I have extra heads. My plan is to take it down this weekend. I will keep a clump to replant in the spot.

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Is it possible that some seeds fell into the crevices of the palm and germinated. And when they got too heavy they dropped out? I see sabal palms germinate in the cracks of live oaks all the time. Just speculating, queens seem to volunteer anywhere the seed drops.

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Dave, The palm growth is reminiscent of the growth like shoots you get on a Phoenix reclinata at the ground. The trunk of the S. rom. flares at the top like a funnel. I will get close pictures this weekend of the crown.

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The task is done...The palm has landed ! I have 4 more clumps with some roots.

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The end of this strange palm story has come.

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Update: So far it looks as these clumps will live on.

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Scott-

I will miss seeing that oddball in your yard! But, nothing that a nice one of your Mules in its place cant remedy.

Larry 

Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b

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