Dypsis lastelliana sp. Big Red

[BS Man about Palms]

I thought I had started a thread about these some time back, but can't seem to find it. Does anyone else have a "real" one. (I say this because I had heard some people "hoping" they had found one in batches of D. leptochelios)

Once they get larger, its kinda easy to tell the differences. The tomentum at the base is almost black. It also has a heel, not "kinda a heel", a heel.

[BS Man about Palms]

I took this pic because it was opening a new leaf. The petiole/spears emerge somewhat red and the the leaves have a bluish tint to them. From what I remember the Aussie gents saying, they grow fairly slow and that is what I have found.

[BS Man about Palms]

Here is one at "Ricks" in Orange county.

[BS Man about Palms]

And here is "Rons" a little further south. Ron said it has grown fast for him, but he did say he got it in trade from a guy who said it was painfully slow in a pot for him.

[DoomsDave]

What a heel!

[BS Man about Palms]

Another thing thats different from a normal D. last. is the "regular" type STOPS the tomentum before the petiole, as witnessed on this regular one I just planted.

[BS Man about Palms]

I also found this older pic of the last leaf that opened...

Anyone?

[brodklop]

Bill, do you think this is one.

The base

[brodklop]

The leaves

This is growing in a lot of shade so its a bit stretched out

Regards

Brod

[BS Man about Palms]

Brod- That looks more like what I have seen as "D. sp highland mealybug", same as whats next to my driveway. Long petiole and whitish blurred mealy bug type markings on the the back of the petiole.

Big red is almost black and has the short, normal length petiole.

Nice palm though, yours?

[BS Man about Palms]

The leaves

This is growing in a lot of shade so its a bit stretched out

Regards

Brod

Just to readd here. Thats not "stretched" I suspect, its a characteristic of that palm. If it was stretched , the leaves would be far apart too. That palm has a long petiole with the leaves at the end. Mine is in 3/4 day sun and is doing the same thing.

Look here: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...c=12926&hl=

[brodklop]

Bill, no it's not mine. I wish it was. It's from Palm Oasis which I just posted on.

Now that you said it I seem to remember Will saying it was a highland redneck the first time I went there a month back. I took the pics the other day by myself without their comentary.

[Daryl]

Bill, no it's not mine. I wish it was. It's from Palm Oasis which I just posted on.

Now that you said it I seem to remember Will saying it was a highland redneck the first time I went there a month back. I took the pics the other day by myself without their comentary.

Brod, that looks like a typical 'Highland Redneck', a palm that is actually not from the highlands, and not really red either (funny how it got tagged with that name!). It was also known in Oz for many years as 'Mealybug', but is not the same mealybug as those in the US ie not D.mananjarensis. Looks lie Margaret's one is growing very well. And Bill is correct, they have a very long petiole, regardless of growing conditions.

regards,

Daryl

[BS Man about Palms]

Daryl, do you have either? Or pics of Claytons or Mikeys?

[Daryl]

Daryl, do you have either? Or pics of Claytons or Mikeys?

Bill,

I've got the 'highland redneck' growing here, one of the slowest palms I've got. Bill Beattie has a ripper that is fruiting. I'm sure there are photos of it on palmtalk in previous threads. Same goes for the forms of lastelliana, some of Mikey's photos are around.

I have five different forms at home, all quite different from each other, plus two forms of D.leptocheilos and the 'highland redneck' mealybug. It's no wonder we are all confused about 'Redneck Palms'

regards,

Daryl

[Daryl]

Bill,

Here's a few photos of different forms...

[brodklop]

Daryl, I cant wait to go to your place again to check these out.

When is the big plantout happening

Cheers

Brod

[Daryl]

Brod, Just decided on the details tonight... October 11 at 8:30am. Four hour working bee, followed by BBQ, Beers and chinwagging...

regards,

Daryl

[BS Man about Palms]

Wow Daryl, Thanks! I have a couple of those varieties going too!

[LJG]

Hi Daryl,

Hey from what I understand that palm he has fruiting he calls "Menavozona Redneck Palm". Or are we talking two different palms? Also, in looking at your fourth picture (fourth kind of red neck above), is that the same palm Bill has fruiting? If so, is that one slow?

Daryl, do you have either? Or pics of Claytons or Mikeys?

Bill,

I've got the 'highland redneck' growing here, one of the slowest palms I've got. Bill Beattie has a ripper that is fruiting. I'm sure there are photos of it on palmtalk in previous threads.

regards,

Daryl

[Daryl]

Len, just to add to the mix, here is an old post that looks very familiar...

Old Redneck Thread

And another...

Other old Redneck Thread

As for the 4th photo, I think that palm is the same as Bill's that you refer to (collected near Mandritsara). However, the palm I mentioned previously, that is also Bill's, and fruiting, is different...it is the 'mealybug highland redneck, D.sp 'hovomandrina' that Clayton refers to.

Confused???

regards,

Daryl

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks Daryl, if you bounce thru those links, then links on those pages you can see lots of different D. lastellianas! It looks like I see "Madagascar Bob may have a "Big Red" also...

[ariscott]

Brod, Just decided on the details tonight... October 11 at 8:30am. Four hour working bee, followed by BBQ, Beers and chinwagging...

regards,

Daryl

Four hours only... what about those mulch...lol.

Sorry Bill, I can't help replying. Nothing to do with your big red

Regards, Ari

[JD in the OC]

This is what has been called Dypsis hovitrendrina. Clayton has them, Phil Bergman has some seedlings too. Very slow. (The name is not recognized by Kew by the way.)

[BS Man about Palms]

This is what has been called Dypsis hovitrendrina. Clayton has them, Phil Bergman has some seedlings too. Very slow. (The name is not recognized by Kew by the way.)

Nope, sorry, wrong on this one JD.

Although that palm has been mentioned many times in this thread.

Dypsis sp. Big Red and Dypsis hovitrendrina are two completely different palms. I have both growing right now. The easiest difference to spot is the Dypsis hovitrendrina (also refered to here as the sp. highland redneck, etc.) has quite long petioles with the leaves at the end. They even do this at an early age.

What it appears that I'm finding is that "Big Red" is a hard palm to find!

[Walter John]

The "hovi" Dypsis has the mealy bug look.

[JD in the OC]

Bill, you are analyzing the morphology of the palm while we are comparing specimens that are growing in TROPICAL Queensland, Australia and MEDITERRANEAN Orange County, CA. Consider how highly variable Dypsis baronii is. How can we compare apples to apples in this situation with your Dypsis 'Big Red'? Without Dransfield weighing in, or an inflorescence to examine, it is all speculation. I've seen Ron Lawyers' tree in person and all of Clayton's threads as well. D. hovitrendrina grows out of its mealy bug speckling just like D. mananjarensis grows out of its mealy bug speckling once mature.

[BS Man about Palms]

Sorry JD, still not gonna buy it. Here is my sp. Big Red getting morning sun, been in the ground about 3 months less than the Highland. Notice the dark tomentum and LACK of any petiole.

[BS Man about Palms]

Now compare to my highland mealy, redneck, what ever that near as I can tell is AT MOST 3 years older (probably less) than the big red and were in similar greenhouse conditions a couple years prior to planting. (Both were outside for well over a year prior to planting) Now this palm sees afternoon sun which would tend to shorten the petiole, yes?

I also understand that part of the reason that Jeff Marcus and John Dransfield most recently went to Mad. was to pick out "seedlings" because they have not had a chance to respond to their growing environment. That being said, the small versions of each are VERY different from each other.

Please check out Bo's "tropical" webpage here http://www.lundkvistpalmgarden.com/Dypsis.html to see his Dypsis highland redneck. (Sorry, I can't see that Bo has a "big red" noted anywhere)

But, it would not be the first time different palms were lumped in the same species based on the criteria used. To my eyes, its kinda like looking at a Ferrari and a VW beetle and saying well, they are just "Foreign cars" because they both have 4 wheels, a steering wheel and small motors. If I was looking at and expecting the one that looks like the Ferrari, I'd be disappointed to get the VW.

HOWEVER, if you are sure that you can get those Dypsis hovitrendrina somewhere and can guarantee they will look like the palm in posts #1,2,3,4 and 28

PLEASE SEND ME 100!

[BS Man about Palms]

Ahhh! I found a thread about MadagascarBobs Big Red with pix..

http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?sh...c=15517&hl=

[joe_OC]

I recently got this palm and believe it to be a Dypsis sp. Big Red from the information on this post. Here are pictures of the palm:

Please confirm if you can.

Thanks in advance,

Joe

[BS Man about Palms]

Joe-

I didn't really touch on it, but the "big reds" I have seen teen to be "closely shaved" if you will. The fur never gets that thick, plus in your 1st and 3rd shots it looks pretty brown, not in the -black- range.

I suspect you have a Dypsis leptocheilos that should have been planted a long time ago.

[joe_OC]

Thanks, Bill. The palm was in the ground. I dug it up because my friend did not want it anymore. It had been grown in a shady spot that did not get a lot of sun. I'm fine if it is another teddy bear. The whole heel thing through me off.

[BS Man about Palms]

SOOOOOOOO.. again visiting how slow this palm is for a lastelliana, here is the next leaf, just a little shy of a year later!

Although it should be noted this has been an exceptionally cool summer.

[BS Man about Palms]

But I LOVE the coloration on the new fronds!!

[BS Man about Palms]

Bump in case people missed this in the "giant poll bump of Sept 2010".

[BS Man about Palms]

Photo bump.

[MattyB]

That looks great Bill. My D. lastelliana is down to 1 and 1/2 fronds. I don't think there was enough heat to grow any leaves this year.

[BS Man about Palms]

Thanks! It actually sat out in its pot back during the "07" cold event!

I think the "big red" version is from a cooler climate. It grows slow whether I have heat or not. The "regular" D. lastelliana grows pretty quick with heat. I would venture twice as fast as this one. Plus I have noticed they are hard to get to "big 5 gal size" no matter what.

[BS Man about Palms]

Bump due to recent threads of some of these starting to flower!