Sorry should have done it this way. Still a rookie. Butia x cocos seedling.

What do the palm experts think?

Sorry should have done it this way. Still a rookie. Butia x cocos seedling.

What do the palm experts think?

Anyone have photos of some regular Butia seedlings to compare?

Sorry should have done it this way. Still a rookie. Butia x cocos seedling.

What do the palm experts think?

Anyone have photos of some regular Butia seedlings to compare?

No takers? Whoever is the first to offer me fresh Pollen will get the first Butia x cocos seedling on the house.

I'm just wondering if any of you are growing syagrus x(butiaxjubaea) iv just been in the greenhouse to check on mine and the new frond is showing a lot of syagrus characteristics with leaflets arranged in small groups so here's hoping it keeps even more syagrus traits and eventually goes plumose sorry i haven't got a pic having problems with the camera this is my favorite hybrid I'm so looking forward to watching this palm develop

ricky

Ricky,

I hope your hybrid doesn't turn out to be a pure Syagrus. So far, none of the hybrids that Patrick has done are plumose. My Syagrus X (Bujubaea) has fronds with a flat plain, and looks more like a Butiagrus than anything. The blades on the fronds are evenly spaced and it has a heavier texture than a pure Syagrus.

For the past 2 or 3 years Patrick has been using Syagrus as a mother plant using various species. It remains to be seen what they will look like when they grow divided fronds. I have a Syagrus X Parajubaea TVT with strap fronds. The fronds seem wider than a normal Syagrus with a slightly heavier texture, but for all pratical purposes it looks like a Syagrus at this stage of growth. It is growing fairly fast with the heat I've had lately.

Dick

hi Dick I'm pretty sure the palm is a hybrid and not a pure syagrus but it still seems to be very unstable genetically and so far no two leafs look the same its a very intriguing palm and also a very frustrating one here's a few pics i took there not great as the camera is useless

Ricky,

Your palm does look like a hybrid, but I see what you mean that the blades are uneavenly spaced. You may have one of thoses unusual hybrids that differs from the norm. It will be interesting to see how it develops as it grows older. Does the texture of the fronds seem heavier than a Syagrus?

Dick

hi Dick yes the texture of the fronds is quiet heavy and it also has a light covering of tomentum witch you cant really see in the pics iv also got the other cross (butiaxjubaea)x syagrus and so far this palm just looks like a xbutiagrus but the frond are very rigid and covered in tomentum

ricky

The only plumose cocoid hybrid I'm aware of is the late Charlie Raulerson's backcross, i. e. [butiaXQueen]XQueen,

which died in a bad freeze. Several of us have crossed the plumose genus Allagoptera with various Butiinae, so in a few years there is an excellent possibility of a plumose cocosoid hybrid by that route. If not, then an F2 should do the trick again!

http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-onlin...rticulture5.htm

Best Wishes,

merrill

This is a close up of one hybrid-- it has the start of some plumosity

some beginnings of multiple rankings -- this I believe has some Allagoptera blood in it

stay tuned.

Ed

This is a close up of one hybrid-- it has the start of some plumosity

some beginnings of multiple rankings -- this I believe has some Allagoptera blood in it

stay tuned.

Ed

Ed,

I think you invented a new word, and I like it. I can't find "plumosity" in the dictonary. I'll try to include it in my vocabulary.

Dick

Hi, Ed:

Please take da*n good care of that Allagoptera hybrid!

Best Wishes,

merrill

I'm constantly entertained how any thread containing hybrid or cocoid or 'ygrus' turns into the latest and greatest multipurpose thread for all things cocoid hybrid. I'm certainly not complaining. I love the topic. So I'm honored my little name is attached to it. I'd love to have a hybrid with uber-plumosity.

More than one online dictionary lists "plumosity" with the expected definition.

merrill

thank you for the link Merrill i have read that page many times over great work

Buffy you know when you put hybrid cocoid in the title your going to drag us all out of the woodwork its amazing how these hybrid treads develop a life of there own

Ed that is a very intriguing palm what is the Allagoptera hybridized with

ricky

Nigel,

Don't worry yet, i have never recieved a high amount of seed when using Cocos pollen. 20 seeds is the highest amount i have recieved. That is w/ the Butia that has about a 500/800 seed count when using Queen pollen.

Still 10 seeds hanging in there.......................... and with almost no discernable pollen.

What's interesting to me is why no one had tried crossing Butia X Coconut before now. Apparently several of you have been successful in setting seeds. The question is.......will any of them germinate.

I remember back in the 80's Jubaeopsis pollen was sent to Fairchild Gardens and an attempt was made to cross a Coconut with Jubeaopsis, but was unsuccessful. Mybe a Coconut is not a suitable mother plant because of the size of the seeds (nuts).

Mark, we are all waiting for an update on your supposed Butia X Coconut. It should be near having a divided frond by now.

Dick

Hi, Dick:

We tried to cross Butia and Cocos many years ago. Got no seed set. Just bare rachillae repeatedly! As with others, sincerely hope Mark is successful.

Best Wishes,

merrill

What's interesting to me is why no one had tried crossing Butia X Coconut before now. Apparently several of you have been successful in setting seeds. The question is.......will any of them germinate.

I remember back in the 80's Jubaeopsis pollen was sent to Fairchild Gardens and an attempt was made to cross a Coconut with Jubeaopsis, but was unsuccessful. Mybe a Coconut is not a suitable mother plant because of the size of the seeds (nuts).

Mark, we are all waiting for an update on your supposed Butia X Coconut. It should be near having a divided frond by now.

Dick

Dick,

I have tried using Cocos as the mother palm without success. Using Queen and Butia pollen. Here is a recent pic of my supposed BXC.N. It is a slow grower unfortunatly.

Year before last i tried Cocos pollen and recieved 12 seeds, but none have germinated so far. This year i recieved 20 seeds and i suspect germination early next year, if i'm lucky! I don't do the baggie method so temps are what is causing the delay. I can't wait to see Matt from Temicula seeds when they're ready!

Merrill,

Thank you, i hope i'm successfull too!!

Nigel,

Keep the faith, you are doing some good things down there and we wish you all the best! 10 seeds is good, Merrill has allways said when using different/funky pollen you'll get a low seed count, so that is a good sign!

Wow, keep updating your photo mark, that FANTASTIC plant is giving me sooooooo much inspiration to keep trying.