livistona mariae

[gyuseppe]

Livistona mariae and true that resists very well to the little frost? without problems?

-seeds purchased in europe

(sorry my english)

Edited August 24, 2009 by gyuseppe

[tikitiki]

Here is mine. It is a bit larger then yours. It has seen multiple frost and has never missed a beat or had any damage.

[gyuseppe]

your and much bigger! , sometimes produced seeds? or is it too early?

[sonoranfans]

Here is mine. It is a bit larger then yours. It has seen multiple frost and has never missed a beat or had any damage.

Very nice mariae, Tom. I love them cold hardy livi's, great bulletproof palms. Thanks for the pic!

Tom

[Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax)]

Bonk! Oh I needed Dave's swooning couch!

That thing is beautiful! Can't wait for mine to look like that. Hope it's fast like L. decora so I can enjoy it soon!

[chris78]

Here is mine...... It has taken two night at 18F in 07 this photo was taken in late 2008....

[sonoranfans]

Here is mine...... It has taken two night at 18F in 07 this photo was taken in late 2008....

Late in 08? C'mon chris it has to be looking great right about now with tons more fronds after this summer. How about a recent pic?

[Alicehunter2000]

I hate to say it.......but ...........does it look alot like a Sabal palmetto to anyone else besides me?

[chris78]

hi Tom.... it does not look much different, since I keep it trimed up its on my property line and so ...you know how this is... neighbors

Its not a sable at all... when it was young it was a nice red color which it loss over the years.... but in the photo is does look like a sable

[merrill]

My Livistona mariae is about 16 feet tall. It is the only Livistona I have that hasn't succumbed to freezes, altho it defoliates fairly easily. Just wish its color could survive more years!

merrill

[FRITO]

tiki, NICE PALM!

I have a small one I recently put in a 3gallon, It had red in more sun but is more green now. It needs full sun to grow fastest and have color.

Merrill, very interesting you lost other species of Livistona and this one survived the freezes. (So is this your only Liviston sp. that survived the 1989 freezes?)

David, doesnt look like a sabal to me, the average non palm person though would probbly mistake it. Most people here think L. chinensis sold in the stores are 'cabbage palms'

[gyuseppe]

Thanks to all,

Merrill you livistona produces seeds? in Gainesville is too cold to make seeds?

[sonoranfans]

I dont think a mariae looks like a sabal palmetto at all. The mariae is greyish in color as an adult, and is not nearly as costpalmate as a palmetto. I suppose there is always something lost in a photo, its not like seeing it in person. Here is one that I took at rod andersons place last year, 2nd palm from the left. Never saw a palmetto that color. I think that many of the shots here are into the sun, making the color appear a little different than it is.

Edited August 25, 2009 by sonoranfans

[8er-moni]

WOW - such great Livistonias :drool:

My little ones are still read - too bad, that they lose the red colour, when they grow!!!!

Edited August 25, 2009 by 8er-moni

[grad85]

This are mine 2 years old now.

[tikitiki]

Yep. Just you.

I hate to say it.......but ...........does it look alot like a Sabal palmetto to anyone else besides me?

[tikitiki]

No way near as fast. Mine has been slow and steady and never gets any damage. The 3 L. decora I have are way faster. Sorry

Bonk! Oh I needed Dave's swooning couch!

That thing is beautiful! Can't wait for mine to look like that. Hope it's fast like L. decora so I can enjoy it soon!

[tikitiki]

I have never had any seed on it. It has not even tried. Should be close I would think.

your and much bigger! , sometimes produced seeds? or is it too early?

[merrill]

Hi, Gyuseppe and Luke:

My L. mariae has been thru all freezes 1980 to present; sorry, don't remember the dates, but one was 10F, another about the same. No other Livistona has survived this regimen. Unfortunately, don't remember ever fertilizing the L. mariae. I'm going to give it TLC starting immediately, and see if it will bloom next year. It is certainly old enough to bloom!

merrill

Edited August 25, 2009 by merrill

[Exotic Life]

This are mine 2 years old now.

Hi Grad,

I see there is a nice red color coming. I had a few either but stupid me, I forget to give them water and in the greenhouse this summer July. They burned heavly and later they died.

Robbin

[Mark Heath]

TikiTiki,

cool avatar pic! Cocos i assume?? Where were you when the pic was taken??

[gerard]

This are mine 2 years old now.

Hi Grad,

I see there is a nice red color coming. I had a few either but stupid me, I forget to give them water and in the greenhouse this summer July. They burned heavly and later they died.

Robbin

Hey Robbin

Always glad to help you .

Have some to send you to try again.

Gerard

[gerard]

This are mine 2 years old now.

Hi Grad,

I see there is a nice red color coming. I had a few either but stupid me, I forget to give them water and in the greenhouse this summer July. They burned heavly and later they died.

Robbin

Hey Robbin

Always glad to help you .

Have some to send you to try again.

Gerard

[tikitiki]

Yep cocos. I went to the keys a few weeks ago and saw one I could climb to the top of. Could not resist.

TikiTiki,

cool avatar pic! Cocos i assume?? Where were you when the pic was taken??

[Exotic Life]

This are mine 2 years old now.

Hi Grad,

I see there is a nice red color coming. I had a few either but stupid me, I forget to give them water and in the greenhouse this summer July. They burned heavly and later they died.

Robbin

Hey Robbin

Always glad to help you .

Have some to send you to try again.

Gerard

Thanks, but I'm sorry don't want them this year anymore because I'm gonna get some room problem during the winter in the greenhouse. Maybe I contact you again about this ones next spring.

Robbin

[Alicehunter2000]

tiki, NICE PALM!

David, doesnt look like a sabal to me, the average non palm person though would probbly mistake it. Most people here think L. chinensis sold in the stores are 'cabbage palms'

Luke........what are you saying

Tikitiki.......you and Luke should sit down and discuss the finer points of your golf game after dicussing the the hints of vanilla in the latest bottle of Merlot..........

Just kidding guys...... Glad you can see a huge difference between the two, I am mainly into palms to provide a tropical/Mediterranian feel to my landscape. If there are two palms that have a strongly similar look, such as Bizzies and Latan palms, that can have basically the same look in a landscape, I will choose the species that is hardier, more available, and cheaper.

I do realize that many people on this site are "collectors" and want to have as many different species as possible, even if they basically look similar.

Maybe the picture does not do this palm justice and it is actually more different looking than what can be seen from the photo's......but for me, this palm would not be at the top of my list just for the fact that it looks more like a S. palmetto than......lets say something like S. causarum does.

[sonoranfans]

tiki, NICE PALM!

David, doesnt look like a sabal to me, the average non palm person though would probbly mistake it. Most people here think L. chinensis sold in the stores are 'cabbage palms'

Luke........what are you saying

Tikitiki.......you and Luke should sit down and discuss the finer points of your golf game after dicussing the the hints of vanilla in the latest bottle of Merlot..........

Just kidding guys...... Glad you can see a huge difference between the two, I am mainly into palms to provide a tropical/Mediterranian feel to my landscape. If there are two palms that have a strongly similar look, such as Bizzies and Latan palms, that can have basically the same look in a landscape, I will choose the species that is hardier, more available, and cheaper.

I do realize that many people on this site are "collectors" and want to have as many different species as possible, even if they basically look similar.

Maybe the picture does not do this palm justice and it is actually more different looking than what can be seen from the photo's......but for me, this palm would not be at the top of my list just for the fact that it looks more like a S. palmetto than......lets say something like S. causarum does.

Frankly,

IMO feather palms look very much alike, more so than fans. Most non palm people cant tell the difference between a king, many dypsis, a queen, or a royal. The fronds are often very close in appearance to the uninitiated. But you know, those who can appreciate the subtleties will enjoy the landscape more, much like a painter who uses more colors in his pallette. Not everyone can appreciate the variations in the many of species of palms, and that is their loss. I will say this I am not a collector by any means, I might have 30 species of palms indoors and out. But when friends who are non palm oriented come over my place, they can tell right away that it is a much more beautiful setting than my neighbors house with his 6 species. they dont even say a thing, they just stare at the landscape and after a minute start asking about the identities of the palms. Funny you should mention causiarum, as it certainly looks more like a sabal palmetto to me than a livistona does at least until it gets large in 20 years. The causiarum has the same frond shape, just bigger and with more of a hint of blue.

[gyuseppe]

Livistona and very different from sabal, 2 very distinct species,

[paulgila]

alice i feel ya,that pic looks more like sabal to me as well.note that it is WAY more costapalmate & the leaf tips are more "organized" & stiff than the l.mariae in the 1st photo.

[Alicehunter2000]

Sonoranfans makes a very good point. The subtle differences do make a difference in the overall appeal of a particular landscape. If you have the space, repeating a particular species can also provide cohesiveness as well. These two factors can sometimes be at odds especially if your planting area is not very large.

For instance a tiny lot might only have three species of noticeably different palm species that are repeated 3 times each spread out and providing balance. This might (or might not) look better than someones lot that has 9 single species of palm that only have subtle differences between them.

For example, would a yard look better with 4 types of similar Sabal sp. or would it look better with lets say 2 Sabal palmetto's and 2 Butia capita.

The collector might be inclined to prefer the first.....however the person who is more inclined to landscape asthetics might say the latter.

I do see some differences between the Livistonia in the pictures and Sabal palmetto.....however, since I am not familiar with the particular Livistonia sp. pictured above (only seeing a picture) I will stick by my original opinion and say that from a landscape point of view, the difference between this, and Sabal palmetto's (of which I have 9 of) would not be on the top of my wish list for my current property and its limited space.

Hey......everybody likes different types of palms......there are those here that loath queens and Phoenix sp.....I happen to love them.

I would say I'm 20% collector and 80% landscape asthetic when making decisions on which trees to purchase.

[sonoranfans]

Sonoranfans makes a very good point. The subtle differences do make a difference in the overall appeal of a particular landscape. If you have the space, repeating a particular species can also provide cohesiveness as well. These two factors can sometimes be at odds especially if your planting area is not very large.

For instance a tiny lot might only have three species of noticeably different palm species that are repeated 3 times each spread out and providing balance. This might (or might not) look better than someones lot that has 9 single species of palm that only have subtle differences between them.

For example, would a yard look better with 4 types of similar Sabal sp. or would it look better with lets say 2 Sabal palmetto's and 2 Butia capita.

The collector might be inclined to prefer the first.....however the person who is more inclined to landscape asthetics might say the latter.

I do see some differences between the Livistonia in the pictures and Sabal palmetto.....however, since I am not familiar with the particular Livistonia sp. pictured above (only seeing a picture) I will stick by my original opinion and say that from a landscape point of view, the difference between this, and Sabal palmetto's (of which I have 9 of) would not be on the top of my wish list for my current property and its limited space.

Hey......everybody likes different types of palms......there are those here that loath queens and Phoenix sp.....I happen to love them.

I would say I'm 20% collector and 80% landscape asthetic when making decisions on which trees to purchase.

I agree with your situation David, if you have 9 sabal palmetto and limited space, a butia makes more sense. I consider fans mainly yang and feather mainly yin. To have all yin or all yang would be asthetically less pleasing than a balance. I do have 4 butias, 5 sabals(domingensis(2), minor(1), uresana(1),bermudana(1)), brahea armatas(6) queens(9), royals(3), and phoenix(sylvestris, reclinata, roebelinii), bismarckias(3), livistonas(4 species) among others. I think the diversity opf the fans is greater since they will see freezes 4-5 times a year. I think once you put 9 palmettos in, the need for fans -in an asthetic sense- is reduced. But if I were starting from scratch I would choose less palmettos and more livistonas. I admit to liking what I see based on how it fits in my landscape, most of us are that way. In my desert environment the livistonas take heat and look better than sabals, save the uresana. So I have other personal reasons for liking a number of the livistonas, they look terriffic in the dry heat while sabals look somewhat tattered and need overhead protection to prevent "palmbake".

[Alicehunter2000]

Love Livistonia decipens (ribbon palm). We have two at a doctors office in town. The only ones that I know of in the area. Would love to have a bunch of those.

How are your royals doing in your area? That's really pushing the zones.

Oh, and Chris78....what is that dicot tree in your photo? tropical looking.

[sonoranfans]

Love Livistonia decipens (ribbon palm). We have two at a doctors office in town. The only ones that I know of in the area. Would love to have a bunch of those.

How are your royals doing in your area? That's really pushing the zones.

Oh, and Chris78....what is that dicot tree in your photo? tropical looking.

I have 3 decipiens in protected "wet" areas they are nice palms, but out here a mariae or rigida will look better in most planting sites as they are more sun tolerant. My royals are a zone push no doubt, but they are under canopy and in the desert thats good for +5F or so on the low. They key for those royals will be to get some size on them before they see a 25F low, and that is very possible here. In the lower sonoran desert, our freezes are very temporary, typically 4-5 hours, then back up to a daytime high of 55F by 2PM. I've seen a large royal(8' trunk) survive 20F(30 year low in '07) defolliate and come right back in nearby chandler. But to give you an idea, the overnight low was 20F and by 12 noon that day it was 50F and the high was 55F.

[Kris]

Thanks for the information that they look different when they grow mature,i ment the leaf color.So i need not collect this palm.i was of the opnion that they are red leafed livistona.

Iam glad i visited this thread,or else i would have lived with a wrong notion.

Thanks & Love,

Kris

[sonoranfans]

Thanks for the information that they look different when they grow mature,i ment the leaf color.So i need not collect this palm.i was of the opnion that they are red leafed livistona.

Iam glad i visited this thread,or else i would have lived with a wrong notion.

Thanks & Love,

Kris

Kris,

The color of adult mariae is grey green, kind of like washingtonia filifera, you can see the mariae stand out in post 13 from the green livistonas. In person, its hard not to notice the mariae among those other livistonas. The red is very short lived, and I am not aware of any palm that grows to adulthood as a red fronded tree. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I can come up with one. I find livistonas attractive since many species take the dry heat and look great unlike most palms. This year most of my sabals are looking very stressed from the dry heat/hot sun regardless of all the extra watering I have given them. I am hoping they recover to look more lush this winter. I have a small mariae in a pot that looks a lot better than my fruiting sabals after the summer heat. This is a good indication of the vastly better heat/drought tolerance of livistonas compared with sabals.

[Kris]

Dear Tom

Thanks very much for your time & for explaining the finer aspects of this L.mariae palm.

Lots of love to you,

Kris

[DoomsDave]

Guyseppe:

THose are great baby palms you have, but they're not L. mariae. L. mariae are a raspberry red (unless, of course, someone changed the name on me . . . . )

L. mariae ARE tough, too . . .

[gyuseppe]

-quote-

THose are great baby palms you have, but they're not L. mariae. L. mariae are a raspberry red (unless, of course, someone changed the name on me . . . . )

L. mariae ARE tough, too . . .

-quote-

dave are Livistona mariae!, have the color red, but not too much because they were not in the sun, were more shade

[Rod]

Tom:

Chamberonia macrocarpa & Latania lonteroides are two palms that have red immergent leaves. My Cham. macro. typically scares me when it first opens up because it is so red. Both of these palms I've tried - both died in 2007. I have decided to try the Cham. macr. again in a different location because I really like this palm.

Rod

Phoenix

Thanks for the information that they look different when they grow mature,i ment the leaf color.So i need not collect this palm.i was of the opnion that they are red leafed livistona.

Iam glad i visited this thread,or else i would have lived with a wrong notion.

Thanks & Love,

Kris

Kris,

The color of adult mariae is grey green, kind of like washingtonia filifera, you can see the mariae stand out in post 13 from the green livistonas. In person, its hard not to notice the mariae among those other livistonas. The red is very short lived, and I am not aware of any palm that grows to adulthood as a red fronded tree. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I can come up with one. I find livistonas attractive since many species take the dry heat and look great unlike most palms. This year most of my sabals are looking very stressed from the dry heat/hot sun regardless of all the extra watering I have given them. I am hoping they recover to look more lush this winter. I have a small mariae in a pot that looks a lot better than my fruiting sabals after the summer heat. This is a good indication of the vastly better heat/drought tolerance of livistonas compared with sabals.