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Parrot Jungle Single x Roebellini

Tom H

By Tom H
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Tom H

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Hello All,

I got a small palm at the Northern Cal. Palm Society Auction labeled "Parrot Jungle Single x Roebellini". Can anyone tell me how big this should get and what conditions it would like and what the general appearance will be? I'm in San Rafael, CA?

Thank you.

Tom

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PalmatierMeg

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Tom, welcome to Palmtalk. How about some photos? I can't imagine what a "Parrot Jungle Single" is, a gussied-up nursery term for one of the Phoenix species?

Meg

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Hello All,

I got a small palm at the Northern Cal. Palm Society Auction labeled "Parrot Jungle Single x Roebellini". Can anyone tell me how big this should get and what conditions it would like and what the general appearance will be? I'm in San Rafael, CA?

Thank you.

Tom

Perhaps someone from said society might come up w/a guess at least.

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John Case Grand Master

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Tom,

The Parrot Jungle is a Phoenix canariensis x dactylifera(http://www.palmsnc.org/pages/species.php), so now you have a triple cross, 25% canariensis, 25% dactylifera, and 50% roebellinii, more or less.

The club gets lot of hybrids from Patric Shafer who generously donates them to the auction. He is locally famous for his crosses....

Congratulations in your joining the PalmTalk. You are now qualified as a truly insane palmophile. You may expound with assurance on things that you have no idea about, like many of us.

Keep me posted on the B. alfredii you won.

John

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Tom H Newbie

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Tom,

The Parrot Jungle is a Phoenix canariensis x dactylifera(http://www.palmsnc.org/pages/species.php), so now you have a triple cross, 25% canariensis, 25% dactylifera, and 50% roebellinii, more or less.

The club gets lot of hybrids from Patric Shafer who generously donates them to the auction. He is locally famous for his crosses....

Congratulations in your joining the PalmTalk. You are now qualified as a truly insane palmophile. You may expound with assurance on things that you have no idea about, like many of us.

Keep me posted on the B. alfredii you won.

John

Thanks so much John. Looking forward to seeing it grow. I planted the B. alfredii in a very sunny spot as you recommended. I'll let you know how it progresses. I haven't killed too many palms to date. Cycads should beware however.

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Tom,

I can solve the Parrot Jungle mystery, because I'm the one that gave it the name. Years ago there was a beautiful Phoenix hybrid growing at the old Parrot Jungle in S. Miami. The hybrid appeared to be a cross between Phoenix cariensis and P. robelenii. I knew the grounds superintendent at Parrot Jungle and he gave me a handfull of seeds from the palm.

When the seeds germinated no two of the palms looked the same. Two of the palms are growing in my garden in Walnut Creek. One is a clustering Phoenix and the other is a single that looks like a smaller version of P. cariensis. A few years ago Patric Schafer crossed the single with P. robelenii, and that is the hybrid that you have.

Come visit sometime and I can show you the palm that your hybrid came from.

Dick

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Wow, I bet you never thought you would know who his parents were. Thanks palmtalk for bringing another family together.

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What a nice story :rolleyes:

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Tom H Newbie

Tom H

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Thanks Dick! I'd love to come by some time and see the parent as well as just see your garden again.

Tom

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Richard,

Just curious if you have a photo of the Phoenix cariensis and P. robelenii hybrid? I've been growing one for a couple of years and curious how that one looked.

Just crossed my P. Dact. with pollen from mine a couple of weeks ago - a couple hundred dates have resulted.

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Lardos, Greece ( Island of Rhodes ) 10B

1.9 km from Mediterannean Sea

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Hi Maurice,

My hybrid Phoenix is crowded by other palms and almost impossible to photograph. Just imagine a P. cariensis about 2/3 the size of a pure P.cariensis. It has proven not to be as cold hardy as a CIDP, but has only been nipped a couple of times over the years by cold, but no permanent damage.

I checked out your profile. Sounds like you are living the good life. I like German cars too, have two of them, a roadster and a sedan.

Dick

Richard Douglas

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Tom,

I can solve the Parrot Jungle mystery, because I'm the one that gave it the name. Years ago there was a beautiful Phoenix hybrid growing at the old Parrot Jungle in S. Miami. The hybrid appeared to be a cross between Phoenix cariensis and P. robelenii. I knew the grounds superintendent at Parrot Jungle and he gave me a handfull of seeds from the palm.

When the seeds germinated no two of the palms looked the same. Two of the palms are growing in my garden in Walnut Creek. One is a clustering Phoenix and the other is a single that looks like a smaller version of P. cariensis. A few years ago Patric Schafer crossed the single with P. robelenii, and that is the hybrid that you have.

Come visit sometime and I can show you the palm that your hybrid came from.

Dick

Dick,

I had a good hunch as I started reading this that the name "Parrot Jungle" had to originate from the garden down in Miami. Good story......

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

mlovecan Rising Star

mlovecan

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Hi Maurice,

My hybrid Phoenix is crowded by other palms and almost impossible to photograph. Just imagine a P. cariensis about 2/3 the size of a pure P.cariensis. It has proven not to be as cold hardy as a CIDP, but has only been nipped a couple of times over the years by cold, but no permanent damage.

I checked out your profile. Sounds like you are living the good life. I like German cars too, have two of them, a roadster and a sedan.

Dick

Mine has been quite interesting to watch grow ( really fast, too - an F1 hybrid ) and has just about 50/50 characteristics in the leaves but very Roebellinnii-like in the trunk ( thicker, but no pineapple-shape at all ).

My girlfriend wanted a CIDP ( THE one palm she does like ) but I told her we don't have the room. I'm hoping the crown ends up very CIDP-like and I won't be forced to squeeze a CIDP into my village-size garden.

You're right, Dick, Greece is a very good life ( although really, really hot at the moment ) and I'm very lucky to be here.

More for the simple things, though, like spending time with the kind and charming old men and women of the village trying to converse in broken German or French ( my Greek is not so good yet ).

Lardos, Greece ( Island of Rhodes ) 10B

1.9 km from Mediterannean Sea

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Respected Gentlemen :)

Do any one have visuals of this palm in discusssion...taken from parks,public gardens,etc.It seems dear Dick's palm is crowded by other trees around.But their should be some one growing it,though not a mature specimen any visual of that palm will do. :hmm:

Thanks & Love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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mlovecan Rising Star

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Hi Kris,

Please exuse the quality / color of this image ( mobile phone / retouched ) - my daughter has been travelling all summer and time she returns home briefly, I cannnot claw my proper camera out of her hands!

This is my palm who's genetics would be somewhere in the middle between Dick's palm and the offspring. It is about double in size as simular aged Ph. Roeb.'s in my garden. At about 5 years old, it is just under 3 meters / 10 feet ( to the top outstretched frond) , a spread of about 2.5 meters / 8 feet and a trunk diameter of about 25 cm / 10 inches ( not counting the hairy part under the crown which is actually no thicker ) :

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Lardos, Greece ( Island of Rhodes ) 10B

1.9 km from Mediterannean Sea

Moose Grand Master

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Tom,

I can solve the Parrot Jungle mystery, because I'm the one that gave it the name. Years ago there was a beautiful Phoenix hybrid growing at the old Parrot Jungle in S. Miami. The hybrid appeared to be a cross between Phoenix cariensis and P. robelenii. I knew the grounds superintendent at Parrot Jungle and he gave me a handfull of seeds from the palm.

When the seeds germinated no two of the palms looked the same. Two of the palms are growing in my garden in Walnut Creek. One is a clustering Phoenix and the other is a single that looks like a smaller version of P. cariensis. A few years ago Patric Schafer crossed the single with P. robelenii, and that is the hybrid that you have.

Come visit sometime and I can show you the palm that your hybrid came from.

Dick

Dick,

I had a good hunch as I started reading this that the name "Parrot Jungle" had to originate from the garden down in Miami. Good story......

Jeff

Dick FYI - Parrot Jungle moved to Watson Island, mostly concrete, very little jungle now :angry: . The garden remains and has been renamed Pinecrest Gardens. The city has maintained it and has been adding more plants including palms :drool:

Ron. :)

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

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Hi Ron,

Thanks for the update, but I've been familiar wilth Parrot Jungle for a long time since the the grounds manager is a long time friend of mine. I have been to the new Parrot Jungle a couple of times and it's nothing like the old one in Pinecrest. The old one is very unique as part of it is a gigantic sink hole with fresh water in the lower parts. The area was once a swamp and natural hammock. I was told it's the closest fresh water swamp to the coast in the Miami area.

The hybrid Phoenix that I refer to in this thread was growing in the lower grassy area where they used to keep the flamingos. I don't know if it's still there as the garden was devistated by hurricane Andrew. I have fond memories of that area when I lived on Old Cutler road not far from Parrot Jungle. They would release the Mcaws in the mornings and they flew all over S. Miami and would often light in the trees where I lived and squawk. The Parrots were often found in nearby Fairchild Gardens where they would eat palm fruit, but they would always return to Parrot Jungle in the evening to roost.

I lived right next to Mathason Hammock and there were many exotic palms growing in the hammock, and I imagine the Mcaws dispursed the seeds from Fairchild Gardens which was only a short distance away.

Dick

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Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Dear Maurice :)

Thanks for that lovely still,very glad i had seen some visual of a hybrid phoenix..

by the way that still has come out very well..for a mobile phone camera.

Lots of love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Josue Diaz Grand Master

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On 7/24/2009 at 6:04 PM, Tom H said:

Hello All,

I got a small palm at the Northern Cal. Palm Society Auction labeled "Parrot Jungle Single x Roebellini". Can anyone tell me how big this should get and what conditions it would like and what the general appearance will be? I'm in San Rafael, CA?

Thank you.

Tom

Curious what your palm looks like today

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