Accumulating Snow

[ruskinPalms]

I know that it has snowed in Florida before, supposedly all the way down to Miami. What is the greatest accumulation you have ever seen in your area (Areas that you are trying to get palms to grow that is) including FL, TX, CA, Other states, Australia, South Africa, Other nations??? I remember seeing some pics on here of pretty decent snow on palms in Brownsville, TX. Sorry to sound stupid if it does not even snow in South Africa or Australia...

[SunnyFl]

No snow here, so far......

Awhile back, Mike in Houston posted a beautiful photo of a rivularis at night, with snow on the fronds and snow falling in the darkness.  It was quite a sight - very dramatic.

Then last year, someone in Louisiana posted a picture of a phoenix roebelenii with snow on it.

Both palms survived, btw.  Wish I had seeds from them!

[Tyrone]

It's never ever snowed here since 1829 when Perth was first settled. It's snowed at Ayers Rock before though, in Nov a few years ago. I hope it never ever snows here. Up until this year the CBD had never been below 0C. It went down to neg 0.7C so maybe it will snow one day. That will be the day I pack up and move to Queensland.

regards

Tyrone

[BobbyinNY]

"oh the weather outside is frightfull...."..

Here is a pic from 2 years ago in front of my house........

[Jeff Searle]

Hey, hey, hey! Don't want to hear about no snow on palms!  I got to get outta here, and quick......

   Jeff

[philinsydney]

It hasn't snowed in Sydney since the 1830s, but some outer suburbs had a dusting in 1965.

[NBTX11]

Here the info on the famous Brownsville Christmas snow.  I say famous, because there hadn't been mesurable snowfall in 110 years!! (since 1895).  There likely has NEVER been a White Christmas before in Brownsville, and probably never will again.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bro/storm/snowrecap.htm

[Neofolis]

Even here in Southwest England I haven't seen proper snow for eleven years.  Most years there are wintery showers, some of which settles, but it is such an insignificant amount that it is gone in a very short time.  We do occasionally have a downpour of snow, but they are so brief, that it doesn't amount to anything.  I dare say we will see snow again, but hopefully not for a long time.

[Bilbo]

Thanks Corey I was trying to remember when we did last have proper snow and it must have bee 11 years ago.

In most cases such as Trachy, C.humilis,B.capitata, P.canariensis and B.armata there was no damage at all but interestingly B.edulis showed slight damage indicating less cold resistance than its Mexican desert cousin which is not really surprising I suppose.

Regardez

Juan

West Sussex Coast

[BobbyinNY]

We usually get one really good blast of 8-10 inches - always from a Noreaster storm, but it usually warms up the next day and melts... Last year it only snowed once and it melted the next day

[Exotic Life]

I have got snow in the winter 2004-2005, but last winter we don't have got snow where you can play in it. Normally we have chance every winter in snow. But not so much as Bobby ...

[ruskinPalms]

Apparently, it almost snowed here the last little cold spell we had. There were reports of mixed precip just a little to the northeast of me in Orlando. Nothing heavy though. It is very hard to believe any kind of frozen precip fell in November in any part of central FL. This may point to a cold winter ahead, and it may not.

[galveston1602]

heres some of my yard from the snow in 04

Sorry, I dont have individual palm pics.

I only lost 1 triangle palm in all of this, I think the triangle was lost to cold wet feet prior to the snow though...

[Alberto]

Snow is rare here in my state Paraná.

I found some old pics of the ´´infamous´´cold snap that brought snow to the Capital of paraná,the city of Curitiba and frost on the coffee plantations in north Paraná     :

[Alberto]

                                                                           In my city ,carambeí,I remember seeing snow 3 times in my life. Here it didn´t acumulate ,but in Curitiba....

  (min temp. in the city of Palmas was -11.5`C the following night!

[Zac in NC]

I can remember seeing close to 2 feet of snow here in my lifetime. Usually, we get some measurable snowfall every winter. I grow a fair number of palms here.

Zac

[SunnyFl]

(Zac in NC @ Nov. 26 2006,19:25)

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I can remember seeing close to 2 feet of snow here in my lifetime. Usually, we get some measurable snowfall every winter. I grow a fair number of palms here.

Zac

Zac, where is Trinity?  Low country or piedmont, northern or southern part of the state?

Doesn't all of NC get snow - even the southern coastal part?  I read an account - maybe on Gary's Nursery website? - of butias in (I think) New Bern having trouble due to snowfall.

[Palmarum]

Last time it snowed in South Florida, I was a few months old so I do not remember it. And I am glad if it never happens again.

Ryan

[SunnyFl]

(Palmarum @ Nov. 26 2006,19:49)

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Last time it snowed in South Florida, I was a few months old so I do not remember it. And I am glad if it never happens again.

Ryan

Same here!  

I heard something about how it snowed in FL in '77 or something.  I don't know if it snowed in St. Pete, since that was one of the 2 years I was up north (a total fiasco) and at that time, it was called the worst winter, I think, in 100 years everywhere on the eastern seaboard.   We came back home (FL) right after that.  And I really do NOT want to leave again.

(psssst, Ryan -- I'm Dreaming of a Warm Christmas )

[Zac in NC]

Sunny- I am directly in the center of the State, a little south of High Point and Greensboro in the Piedmont. I think I am about 45 miles south of the Virginia border.  Yeah, most of the state gets snow, if not all of it. Gary does have pics of most of his plants in snow. There was a storm which dumped a foot and a half here, almost 2 feet in Raleigh and over 2 feet in Rocky Mount, which is on the Coastal Plain.

Zac

[Gileno Machado]

(BobbyinNY @ Nov. 15 2006,11:16)

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"oh the weather outside is frightfull...."..

Here is a pic from 2 years ago in front of my house........

Wow...

That's fascinating Bobby. I would take your coconut outside next time this happens, for just a few seconds and stick the pot in the snow for a few pictures...then you'd be entitled to grow "the world's hardiest coconut tree ever to survive a snowfall, (at least for the pictures)  :: ...

Born and raised in Recife, seashore at latitude 8° S, snow and snowfalls were just movie images in my mind (remember Love Story in Central Park?) until when I was 14 years old and travelled to Switzerland to see it falling for the first time live in location, a true unforgettable emotion for me.

Apart from the possible damage to most palms, I wish it could snow here sometimes, the visual effect is also very nice... I was lucky to be in Indianapolis last january and we were blessed with a light snowfal on the night of the arrival, and so my son could play eskimo in the next morning and we had a great fun. I thought of buying a Trachycarpus wagnerianus to plant in my american brother's farm, located in Indianapolis area, but couldn't fine any available nearby...

[Gileno Machado]

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[BobbyinNY]

Wow...

That's fascinating Bobby. I would take your coconut outside next time this happens, for just a few seconds and stick the pot in the snow for a few pictures...then you'd be entitled to grow "the world's hardiest coconut tree ever to survive a snowfall, (at least for the pictures)   ...

Born and raised in Recife, seashore at latitude 8° S, snow and snowfalls were just movie images in my mind (remember Love Story in Central Park?) until when I was 14 years old and travelled to Switzerland to see it falling for the first time live in location, a true unforgettable emotion for me.

Apart from the possible damage to most palms, I wish it could snow here sometimes, the visual effect is also very nice... I was lucky to be in Indianapolis last january and we were blessed with a light snowfal on the night of the arrival, and so my son could play eskimo in the next morning and we had a great fun. I thought of buying a Trachycarpus wagnerianus to plant in my american brother's farm, located in Indianapolis area, but couldn't fine any available nearby...

Aw..

that's cool, Gileno...

Yeah, that snowfall we got 2 years ago is very rare... We don't usually get snow like that unless a Noreaster dumps on us...   We're mostly protected from the snow for the most part. It really is pretty when it happens though.... I do admit I would probably miss it if I move south..  My ideal situation would be for it to be constantly warm, then dump a foot of snow on christmas day and then go back to 70f for the rest of the winter graduating to 90f by the summer.. but that, obviously would never happen.

[Zac in NC]

Thats cool Gileno. Thanks for sharing the pics. I hate snow. I used to love it, until I got into palms and tropicals and now snow is my enemy.

Zac

[epicure3]

It may have snowed some time here in San Diego but I couldn't tell you when. I have lived here for a total of 9 years and have never, knock on wood, ever experienced a frost or a temp below 35.

[ruskinPalms]

I grew up in Indiana and moved down here to FL in my teen years. i guess I might be a bit nostalgic for snow at times, maybe I subconsciously started this thread for that reason. I have doubts about any Trachycarpus making it Indiana without BobbyNY type protection. I can remember minus 25 to 30 degrees F on an occasion or two and minus 5 to 10 F was  yearly event. Damn it was cold! and I am complaining about the +30's and 40's - sometimes I guess I need a reality check....

[BobbyinNY]

I grew up in Indiana and moved down here to FL in my teen years. i guess I might be a bit nostalgic for snow at times, maybe I subconsciously started this thread for that reason. I have doubts about any Trachycarpus making it Indiana without BobbyNY type protection. I can remember minus 25 to 30 degrees F on an occasion or two and minus 5 to 10 F was  yearly event. Damn it was cold! and I am complaining about the +30's and 40's - sometimes I guess I need a reality check....

Minus 25 or 30??? Oh my god.. I didn't realize it got that cold in Indiana.... I thought that was more like Northern Minnesota... WOW... that's really cold. I've never felt anything below 5f and I think that only happens once every 10 years on LI.... When we get our yearly low of 15f I freak out... I guess it's all relative.

[ruskinPalms]

Some low temps on record

Here is a link to a NOAA site that has some all time lows. Yes, it can get quite nasty in Indiana.

[Trópico]

Born and raised where it never ever went below 65ºF. As a kid talking about seasons to me was like trying to explain the beauty of a red crownshaft to a blind man...

Saw snow for the first time, already on the ground, at Fort Worth, TX and people must have thought I was crazy. Back in '95/96. Then again in Dec '00 went to visit family in Bronx, NY and it was neat to see how the city transformed from a dry/sunny/cold concrete jungle into a winter wonderland. I remember staying up ALL night long to catch the first snowfall, and it happened at about 4:00 AM. One foot. It turned out that my wife experienced that same snowfall before we met each other as she was visiting her family in Long Island.

Snow is very common and maybe unpleasant for most of you but unusual, once in a lifetime event for us born in the tropics.

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I'd take a snow flurry at 35ºF over a 25ºF dry hard freeze!

[BobbyinNY]

I may not know what I'm talking about, but I'd take a snow flurry at 35ºF over a 25ºF dry hard freeze

Absolutely....

Actually, it doesn't really feel that cold when it's snowing. I think it feels MUCH colder during a 40f windy rainstorm.

[Zac in NC]

Bobby- Thats so true. A Cold rain is much worse.

Zac

[Palmy]

I have had freezing rain mainly about 1 year ago or so. It was mixing with snow though. Also about 5 years ago we had some hail that came to  about 1 inch on the ground on halloween. Also about y7 years ago we had some snow that did come and stuck on the trees and ground. About 12 years ago we had 1 inch that stuck to the ground and it was overnight. I still remember being scared. It wasnt just snow but there was a lot of lightning and thunder aslo -rare- here and there we will have hail and maybe after a cold storm once a year we have some wet snow mix in but other than that I think I named all of the times we had snow over here. Of course over the hill in the bay they may have seen 1 snow during that 15 years I had several.

hail on halloween. I dont have pics of my house but there was a lot more up at my elevation than down the hill here.

Picture of hail on halloween

Snow in orinda back when I was in 5th grade ( not mine )

not mine

[SunnyFl]

(Zac in NC @ Nov. 26 2006,21:07)

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Yeah, most of the state gets snow, if not all of it. Gary does have pics of most of his plants in snow. There was a storm which dumped a foot and a half here, almost 2 feet in Raleigh and over 2 feet in Rocky Mount, which is on the Coastal Plain.

Zac

Hi Zac,

I have relatives in NC.  It's a beautiful state - I especially like the low country, but I hear it's gotten very built up unfortunately.  I remember it from decades ago when it wasn't.  

I was surprised to see Gary's comments about the snow, somehow I guess I didn't realize that the coastal S/E part got any.

By the way, Gary is selling Birmingham Sables and says they are the hardiest - they also stay small for a lonnnng time, unlike the S. palmetto.  If I have to move further north, I would want to get one.

Hey Bobby - you might want to try this palm

[BobbyinNY]

By the way, Gary is selling Birmingham Sables and says they are the hardiest - they also stay small for a lonnnng time, unlike the S. palmetto.  If I have to move further north, I would want to get one.

Hey Bobby - you might want to try this palm  

Yeah, I've never had one of those.. I have to check it out... does anyone have a pic of one?....

[NBTX11]

(Trópico @ Nov. 27 2006,13:46)

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Saw snow for the first time, already on the ground, at Fort Worth, TX and people must have thought I was crazy. Back in '95/96.

Fort Worth only averages 2 inches of snow a year, and that stat is probably skewed by some larger snowfalls,  many years no snowfall whatsoever, you must have been there at just the right time.  Although they usually do get some ice every winter.

[NBTX11]

(BobbyinNY @ Nov. 27 2006,15:06)

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I may not know what I'm talking about, but I'd take a snow flurry at 35ºF over a 25ºF dry hard freeze

Absolutely....

Actually, it doesn't really feel that cold when it's snowing. I think it feels MUCH colder during a 40f windy rainstorm.

A dry 32F with sunshine and no wind feels WARMER than a windy, rainy 50 degree day, hands down.

[Diane Kirkland]

I have a little snow on my palms right now; wish I had more.  They're predicting a record low of 10'F to 15'F tonight in the Seattle area.  I just brought a frozen hummingbird feeder in so it would thaw by morning.  The little guys are going to be hungry!

[BobbyinNY]

I have a little snow on my palms right now; wish I had more.  They're predicting a record low of 10'F to 15'F tonight in the Seattle area.  I just brought a frozen hummingbird feeder in so it would thaw by morning.  The little guys are going to be hungry!

WOW... I'm really curious to see how those palms to in 10-15f...

[Diane Kirkland]

WOW... I'm really curious to see how those palms to in 10-15f...

Yeah, except I'm going to say "anxious" instead of "curious."  I think it was between 15'F and 18'F last night; warm ocean air is coming in and butting up against the arctic air so we'll have more snow tonight and then it will go back up into the 30s.  

I have about 8 Musa basjoos at 20+ feet and about 4 around 2-6 feet tall.  Those will all probably freeze to the ground but I'm not too concerned about them.  

I "waddled" one of my favorite plants, a cussonia, into the garage.  It's almost 8 feet tall now and in a pot I can't lift when it's empty.  It was so heavy that even after I got it onto the hand truck, I couldn't tip the hand truck back.  I hope I didn't lose the dicksonias -- probably lost all the fronds at least.

[SunnyFl]

(BobbyinNY @ Nov. 28 2006,09:10)

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By the way, Gary is selling Birmingham Sables and says they are the hardiest - they also stay small for a lonnnng time, unlike the S. palmetto.  If I have to move further north, I would want to get one.

Hey Bobby - you might want to try this palm  

Yeah, I've never had one of those.. I have to check it out... does anyone have a pic of one?....

Here are a couple of links to pics.  It sure looks like an attractive palm, at least from the photos of it.

http://www.hardypalmsinnc.homestead.com/index.html

and another site:

http://www.plantdelights.com/Catalog/Curre...tail/04084.html