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DOES LOSS OF NEW FROND KILL PALM?

LilikoiLee

By LilikoiLee
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LilikoiLee

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Sorry, reposting this - got it in the wrong forum the first time.

I have heard that damage/loss to the newest frond causes a palm to die, yet recently our Astergoyne martiana magically revived itself after losing it's new frond about couple of months ago. I would appreciate any insite anyone might have on this.....

Thanks,

Lee

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

Bags Mentor

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I am curious to hear about this myself. I have had three potted palms palms that the new spear has died. With two of the plants other than the new spear the rest of the leaves look fine, but no new spear has emerged yet. The third one is dying a slow death. Aaron

Encinitas, CA

Zone 10b

LilikoiLee Mentor

LilikoiLee

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Hi Aaron,

I hope we get some good help on this. All the fronds on my palm started dying off. I decided to leave it in the ground for awhile because I wasn't sure what I would replace it with and wanted to enjoy it as long as I could. I was shocked when two months later it had one large new frond and a smaller one just starting. I hope your palm recovers as well. Please let me know if it does.

Lee

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

DoomsDave Grand Master

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The answer is ----

It depends!

On why the frond was lost, how and at what stage of growth.

What's your situation?

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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The answer is ----

It depends!

Daves got it!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

LilikoiLee Mentor

LilikoiLee

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The answer is ----

It depends!

On why the frond was lost, how and at what stage of growth.

What's your situation?

The palm was planted from a 1 gallon plant (about 2 1/2' tall) and had been in the ground a couple of months when I noticed that the newest frond had been broken off, probably by something from the tree above it. The other leaves were also dying. Since I didn't have anything that I wanted to plant in that spot and I wanted to enjoy the palm as long as I could, I left it in the ground. Another two months passes and today I noticed that it had two new fronds. One is now full size, the other is only about 4 inches long. I would appreciate anything other information you can shed on this. The fact that a broken frond doesn't insure death is good news!!!!

Thanks,

Lee

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Lee,

Dave is definitely on the right track. It depends on a number of different issues. If the new frond dies off because of fungus or insects, you can usually save the palm if you catch the problem in time. If it's simply a broken frond, caused by falling debris or a branch or whatever, the palm will usually recover and push out new growth. Makes me think of a little incident a few years ago. I mentioned our corner acre in the Areca vestiaria thread. We bought it in June 2001. Had it cleared except for about a dozen large Ohi'a trees. In 2003, after I had planted out the entire acre, I realized there was one Ohi'a tree that I should have taken down BEFORE planting the palms. So I checked out this 80 ft tall Ohi'a tree, trying to determine where it would fall. Came to the conclusion that it would fall right between two palms, about 15 feet away from the Ohi'a. The two palms were about 8 ft away from each other, so I was definitely counting on my ability to predict how the tree would fall. Took out my chainsaw and promptly watched this tall and VERY heavy tree fall right smack on top of one of the palms (I was off by about 3 ft in my estimate...). The palm had been planted the year before from a 1G pot, so it was still relatively small. After the Ohi'a tree fell, I quickly cut off the part that was on top the palm (a Dypsis sp. - still don't know the species, but I'm suspecting D. lastelliana). The palm was FLAT AS A PANCAKE on the ground! But, amazingly it recovered. Just goes to show! :)

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Lee:

Sounds like you're good to go, no problems.

I've committed HEINOUS atrocities by dropping stuff on palms, broken leaves, growth buds, etc., and they usually survive fine, though it looks traumatic, for sure.

Do keep us apprized, and, if you can, post a picture. We'll all coo over it, like a new baby . . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Bags Mentor

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In my situation the palms have suffered no mechanical damage. The new spear just died while the rest of the plant looks the same. Fungal? Too much water? Both? I have not put any fungicide on the two that are still living and they look fine other than the dead new spear. The one I did treat with fungicide, my Mad Fox, Is almost dead. What do you guys think? Thanks, Aaron

Encinitas, CA

Zone 10b

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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In my situation the palms have suffered no mechanical damage. The new spear just died while the rest of the plant looks the same. Fungal? Too much water? Both? I have not put any fungicide on the two that are still living and they look fine other than the dead new spear. The one I did treat with fungicide, my Mad Fox, Is almost dead. What do you guys think? Thanks, Aaron

That's different, completely.

How do you know the Mad Fox is almost dead?

I'm not being catty, sometimes it's hard to tell.

Nudge it with your toe. If it's tight in the soil, it might still be okay. If it's in a pot, and the soil dries fast after you water, that usually means the plant's drinking the water.

Don't despair yet!

Give us a picture! Dr. Dave and my trusty team of co-Docs are here to help!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

LilikoiLee Mentor

LilikoiLee

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Thanks for all the info, everyone. I am amazed but happy to hear that palms survive can sometimes such dire injuries. I will post a picture as Dave requested.

Aaron, I hope your's makes it!

Lee

Located at 1500' elevation in Kona on the west side of the Big Island of Hawaii.

Average annual rainfall is about 60"; temperature around 80 degrees.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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In my situation the palms have suffered no mechanical damage. The new spear just died while the rest of the plant looks the same. Fungal? Too much water? Both? I have not put any fungicide on the two that are still living and they look fine other than the dead new spear. The one I did treat with fungicide, my Mad Fox, Is almost dead. What do you guys think? Thanks, Aaron

Aaron.

Fungicide and stop watering. Even "tip" the pot if you have too. But be aware, difficult to get to good 1 gal size anyway...

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Kris Grand Master

Kris

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I have seen this in some of my MED Fan Palms & Needle palms do that but the dried-up spear,does not regunavte but a new clump rises from the potting medium !

While in areca palms,sabals once the central spear drops that palm is gone !

Love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Bags Mentor

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Thanks for the replies. I have not had the time to take any photos but my Mad fox has officially croaked. I pulled it out of the soil and the roots looked fine, but when I peeled back a leaf it had pink rot all over it. The other two palms a Kentiopsis pyriformis and a pink crownshaft still look fine other than the dead new spear that I just pulled on both. I put Daconil down the hole, so we will see what happens. I know that none of them are what you would call hardy palms, but I still have a lot to learn especially with potted palms. Any further advice is appreciated. Aaron

Encinitas, CA

Zone 10b

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