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New Caledonia palms and dry shade

chris78

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chris78 Rising Star

chris78

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Just interested in what New Caledonia palms best tolerate dry shady spots? I have seen Chambeyronia and Burretiokentia hapala in fairly dry soil.... and read that Cyphophoenix elegans & nucele tolerate some dryness...

Phoenix Area, Arizona USA

Low Desert...... Zone 9b

Jan ave 66 high and 40 low

July ave 105 high and 80 low

About 4 to 8 frost a year...ave yearly min temp about 27F

About 8 inches of rain a year.

Low Desert

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Cool Mtn climate at 7,000'

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DoomsDave Grand Master

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A lot depends on how dry is "dry."

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Central Floridave

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Good and timely topic for me! I just got a Cyphophoenix nucele and was just tonight walking around the yard and looking for spot to plant it. I've got plenty of shade/dry spots. Can it take full sun at an early age? I'm debating/googlin' currently. Is the Cyphophoenix nucele a super slow grower like the other NC palms? Thanks for any info.

My experience with Chambeyronia and I can say they are very drought tolerant in shade. Two months no water is okay. It won't grow, but it also won't die. Central Florida droughts are long ones.

Of course I will be watering the Cyphophoenix to get it established, but once its on its own, can it survive a long drought like the Chambeyronia can?

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chris78 Rising Star

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Yes that what I like to know as well... I have read some reports on NC palms hardniess to cold.. I want to replace my Archontophoenix sps, that I loss in the 07 freeze.... with something hardier to cold and drought.... Archontophoenix sps grow fast but LOVE lots of water and they are not all that cold hardy..... They do not do well in my dry shady areas.... I don't care that most NC palms are slow growers as long as they are more tolerant to cold and drought than the Archontophoenix sps............

Good and timely topic for me! I just got a Cyphophoenix nucele and was just tonight walking around the yard and looking for spot to plant it. I've got plenty of shade/dry spots. Can it take full sun at an early age? I'm debating/googlin' currently. Is the Cyphophoenix nucele a super slow grower like the other NC palms? Thanks for any info.

My experience with Chambeyronia and I can say they are very drought tolerant in shade. Two months no water is okay. It won't grow, but it also won't die. Central Florida droughts are long ones.

Of course I will be watering the Cyphophoenix to get it established, but once its on its own, can it survive a long drought like the Chambeyronia can?

Phoenix Area, Arizona USA

Low Desert...... Zone 9b

Jan ave 66 high and 40 low

July ave 105 high and 80 low

About 4 to 8 frost a year...ave yearly min temp about 27F

About 8 inches of rain a year.

Low Desert

Phoenix.gif

Cool Mtn climate at 7,000'

Parks.gif

sonoranfans Grand Master

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A lot depends on how dry is "dry."

Phx humidity, enough to make raisins in the shade in a few days? With a steady wind, raisins will come forth much more rapidly. But then, anyone from socal knows this from experience with the santa anas.

Chris: As far as drought resistant crownshafted palms in the shade, Rod has a nice ravenea glauca, it looks fine and its not even in full shade. This palm is also recommended by the AZ palm and cycad assn as tolerant of the dry, and its good to several degrees less than kings. I myself am intrigued by dypsis baronii and onilahensis for dry shady spots. I think part of the big key to dry is to block wind at the site. Dry winds can be devastating to even small royals here. Our recent windy weather has had me fighting dessication in the less wind protected of my borinquena. The one that is in a wind protected spot was not even touched by the dry wind over the last 2 weeks.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

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Daryl Grand Master

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From my experience in growing these species at home, I can say that the C.nucele has some drought tolerance, but no more than Archontophoenix. C.elegans on the other hand is a tough little customer and can take months without any water. Both of mine survived a 10 year drought with almost no supplemental watering and didn't complain too much.

regards,

Daryl

Gold Coast, Queensland Latitude 28S. Mild, Humid Subtropical climate. Rainfall - not consistent enough!

DoomsDave Grand Master

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Thanks Daryl!

Water restrictions are nigh across the lea here, too.

I can tell you that Chambeyroneas are not in the drought tolerant category, alas! Especially in the sun.

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Central Floridave Veteran

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Other NC palms I have in the yard are a couple small K. olivorms (sp?) and Hapala. Both seem to be okay in dry shady locations. I do water these however at least once a week. I have ten Red Feathers and they are all growing great in dry/shade. Florida conditions are much different than California, so take that for what it's worth. I have rich top soil with quick draining sandy soil and under live oak canopy, Humidity bounces between 50 to 90 percent. 29F is the lowest temp I have seen in the yard. I've seen 3/10ths (0.03) of an Inch of rain in about 3 months. Dry but humid. One of these days I'll see rain again, maybe in June!

Here is my hookeri:

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chris78 Rising Star

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Thanks Tom for your infomation, how are you doing?

Dave from So-Cal I have soil that drains fast, but I have flood irrigation every two weeks that floods the ground with 3 to 5 inches of water....

Central Floridave your garden looks nice..... Dry shade can always be a problem when you try to find plants that do well in it...... I like NC palms and some are quite tough..... I have been growing Chamaedorea sp in dry shade for years and they have done well.... mostly C. microspadix, plumosa and seifrizii.....

Phoenix Area, Arizona USA

Low Desert...... Zone 9b

Jan ave 66 high and 40 low

July ave 105 high and 80 low

About 4 to 8 frost a year...ave yearly min temp about 27F

About 8 inches of rain a year.

Low Desert

Phoenix.gif

Cool Mtn climate at 7,000'

Parks.gif

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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Thanks Tom for your infomation, how are you doing?

Dave from So-Cal I have soil that drains fast, but I have flood irrigation every two weeks that floods the ground with 3 to 5 inches of water....

Central Floridave your garden looks nice..... Dry shade can always be a problem when you try to find plants that do well in it...... I like NC palms and some are quite tough..... I have been growing Chamaedorea sp in dry shade for years and they have done well.... mostly C. microspadix, plumosa and seifrizii.....

Doing great chris, just planted a dypsis baronii 5 gallon in shade today. It was a sun hardened palm from gary woods in socal, perhaps my best scenario. I am hoping for the best and also I will be vigilant in its care. Just having some shade to plant in here is nice.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Scott

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CentralFlorida - the last picture in post #9 is great the way you have it lined up. It's definitely a double take!

I like the idea of the Ravena Glauca... It's something I need to give another try.

Scott

San Fernando Valley, California

Sunset Climate Zone 18

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