Growing Kentias Outdoors?

[OverGrown]

I planted 9 Kentia palms this past weekend under the canopy of King palms in adobe clay. They came in two 7g containers and I split them up by cutting the roots proportionally to each plant. They get direct sun only a few hours (2-3) out of the day when the sun peaks through the canopy.

Does anyone have experienced growing them outdoors here in the Los Angeles area? I'm curious as to what the experiences have been and what to expect. Also how do they handle transplanting, if I need to move them later down the line?

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edited March 24, 2009 by OverGrown

[DoomsDave]

OG:

Hmm. First the bad news: I would not have split the plants as you did then planted them right away. I would have split them first, reestablished them in separate pots, then planted them out.

That said (and the good news), Howeas move easily, so, if there's one palm to split like you did, it's the one.

I have a number of both belomorea and forsteriana at my place and they definitely want to be in the shade away from the ocean, though, as time goes by, they will grow into canopy themselves. An old guy down the road from me has one that's got about 10 feet (3.3 m) of trunk that looks good. Your idea to plant them under king canopy is what I'm doing, too.

Good luck and keep us apprized.

dave

[joe_OC]

It depends on how the palms were grown in the pot. If they have been grown indoors until now, the fronds will be very sensitive to light and burn easily. It seems you have them in a lot of shade, so that will help. Expect the palm to shrink a little as it acclimates as well. Feed them and water them a lot.

[OverGrown]

OG:

Hmm. First the bad news: I would not have split the plants as you did then planted them right away. I would have split them first, reestablished them in separate pots, then planted them out.

That said (and the good news), Howeas move easily, so, if there's one palm to split like you did, it's the one.

I have a number of both belomorea and forsteriana at my place and they definitely want to be in the shade away from the ocean, though, as time goes by, they will grow into canopy themselves. An old guy down the road from me has one that's got about 10 feet (3.3 m) of trunk that looks good. Your idea to plant them under king canopy is what I'm doing, too.

Good luck and keep us apprized.

dave

Hi Dave,

I must admit, I don't have the patience when it comes to certain things so gardening is helping me with that problem. They've only been in the ground for a full day, what do you think if i repot them and put the container into the ground? I stuck them into the ground originally because upon separating them, I noticed they were growing in a medium that looked a lot like crushed lava rock with little organic material.

Thanks,

Peter

[OverGrown]

It depends on how the palms were grown in the pot. If they have been grown indoors until now, the fronds will be very sensitive to light and burn easily. It seems you have them in a lot of shade, so that will help. Expect the palm to shrink a little as it acclimates as well. Feed them and water them a lot.

Hey Joe,

These were very likely grown in a green house and intended as houseplants. I have them in various spots with different times of direct sunlight (full shade/dappled/partial sun) so it will make for some very interesting observations as they grow.

Thanks,

Peter

[The Germinator]

I planted a juvinille in full sun and it is now half the size of the orriginal. It has died back from sun burn and is now getting used to it. A very slow frower for me.

[mlovecan]

Kentias are really beautiful - but really slower to adapt. You may find the smaller, the better.

I put 3 small ones in the ground and 3 large ones that I bought from a couple on ebay because they were hitting their living room cieling. All were in simular morning sun / afternoon shade.

All three of the small ones quite quickly adapted. Two of the big ones didn't make it and the third one sat around for about a year or so.

Now ( after four seasons ) all four palms are about the same size and all look great.

[chris.oz]

OG:

Hmm. First the bad news: I would not have split the plants as you did then planted them right away. I would have split them first, reestablished them in separate pots, then planted them out.

dave

Totally agree with Dave on this. IMO the combination of sun, recent separation, and planting [ mostly] bare rooted into the ground will lead to the demise of these palms.

They need to be potted for at least a year and acclimatised to sun gradually before planting again next spring.

Sorry, that probably spoils the immediate satisfaction of planting them......

[happ]

I have had good luck with howea forsteriana planted in total shade [just a little direct sun during summer that has not caused any damage]. Howea requires less water than many other palms & looks good all year. Here's a photo I took this winter [sorry for all the other plants\ brugmansia nearly covering the howea but it's like an extra blanket during winter].

[Copihue]

Howea is one of my fav palms. I've seen them growing in favoured places even in Northern Coastal Spain. By the Mediterranean and especially in Southern Coastal Spain they are much more common.

Got quite a few sturdy seedlings to play with this year, and some more mature standing in a patio for several winters...

[MattyB]

I've had luck with stretchy "indoor" plants by first putting them out under a patio umbrella, tree or something that blocks the direct sun during midday to early afternoon. Morning sun and late afternoon sun is fine. Grow the plants like this for a year or so so it can grow several new shorter, more sun acclimated leaves. Then it's ready to move into a part day/more sun, where it will acclimate once again over a year or so. The move to full sun for most of the day cannot be acheived for many more years her inland, sooner at the coast. They are easy to grow though regarding root disturbance and water requirements.

[Hollywood Palms]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

[Tassie_Troy1971]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

"using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth" thats exactly what i am doing ATM with my hedyscepe and howea belmoreana .

[Tassie_Troy1971]

OG:

Hmm. First the bad news: I would not have split the plants as you did then planted them right away. I would have split them first, reestablished them in separate pots, then planted them out.

dave

Totally agree with Dave on this. IMO the combination of sun, recent separation, and planting [ mostly] bare rooted into the ground will lead to the demise of these palms.

They need to be potted for at least a year and acclimatised to sun gradually before planting again next spring.

Sorry, that probably spoils the immediate satisfaction of planting them......

Chris all your kentias and the big belmoreana are growing well under the shade of my huge blackwood tree.

[happ]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

David, I'd enjoy seeing some photos of your howea palms

[DoomsDave]

OG:

Hmm. First the bad news: I would not have split the plants as you did then planted them right away. I would have split them first, reestablished them in separate pots, then planted them out.

That said (and the good news), Howeas move easily, so, if there's one palm to split like you did, it's the one.

I have a number of both belomorea and forsteriana at my place and they definitely want to be in the shade away from the ocean, though, as time goes by, they will grow into canopy themselves. An old guy down the road from me has one that's got about 10 feet (3.3 m) of trunk that looks good. Your idea to plant them under king canopy is what I'm doing, too.

Good luck and keep us apprized.

dave

Hi Dave,

I must admit, I don't have the patience when it comes to certain things so gardening is helping me with that problem. They've only been in the ground for a full day, what do you think if i repot them and put the container into the ground? I stuck them into the ground originally because upon separating them, I noticed they were growing in a medium that looked a lot like crushed lava rock with little organic material.

Thanks,

Peter

I'd pull them out, pot them in some nice potting soil, then wait till they root in. It might take a year, that's the only problem, but with a little luck, you'll keep them all, instead of killing some and having to replace them.

[DoomsDave]

Blonddude/Dave

I second Happ's motion, pics of your place, dang, that sounds GORGEOUS!

[OverGrown]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

[chris.oz]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

Every Kentia I have seen in Melbourne is burned to brown paper on some of the leaves, but I have not seen one that was killed by the heat wave.

It was 47 C for 3 days in a row.

[happ]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

Every Kentia I have seen in Melbourne is burned to brown paper on some of the leaves, but I have not seen one that was killed by the heat wave.

It was 47 C for 3 days in a row.

That's horrible was this the worst summer ever in Australia?

[MattyB]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

$250 for a 24" box Kentia under 20% shade cloth sounds too good to be true. That's a great price.

[Donald Sanders]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

aloha David,

I think that it is fantastic to plant so many kentias in the Hollywood Hills. For years I lived in the Mt. Washington area, in the hills. I had a source for rescue plants, almost dead kentias, once beautiful in a Hotel lobby. All total I planted at least 25 pots of almost dead palms. At least one third lived in various environments in our garden. From full shade to half day sun, they thrived. I kept them wet in the ammended decomposed granite, very slow to come back, but when they did they were worth the wait. Our garden in LA was about as frost free as any in the hills and my biggest fear was the Santa Anas. Even in the shade, they burnt. It takes a long time to come back lush and green. The last time I got to visit my old garden over 10 years ago, my howeas were fantastic. Your garden will rival gardens in Hawaii with your beautiful grove of kentias.

It's been over 20 years since I've been to Mardy Darian's garden, his use of howeas always inspired me.

Here in Hawaii, for years I worked at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, a huge resort that used lots of potted kentias. Same deal there, they decline over the years and become not showy enough to stay in the hotel lobby, etc.

I didn't want them, only have 1 1/2 acre and I'm concentrating on true tropicals. So I suggested to my friend who was the head of the landscaping dept there, (many years ago) to plant them on a hill under some large trees in open shade at the resort. Today, this hill there had a tremendous group of surviving kentias.

As you can tell, I love kentias.

Good luck with your beautiful task of greening you space in the Hollywood Hills.

Not too many kentias around the Big Island. Of course I know where most of them are!

Aloha, Don

[DoomsDave]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

How big were they?

[OverGrown]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

How big were they?

there were several to choose with fronds reaching approximately 15' with triple and double trunks. trunks were minimal approx 1-2' but I didn't take a close look. If that is a cheap price, I'm very tempted to get one.

[happ]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

aloha David,

I think that it is fantastic to plant so many kentias in the Hollywood Hills. For years I lived in the Mt. Washington area, in the hills. I had a source for rescue plants, almost dead kentias, once beautiful in a Hotel lobby. All total I planted at least 25 pots of almost dead palms. At least one third lived in various environments in our garden. From full shade to half day sun, they thrived. I kept them wet in the ammended decomposed granite, very slow to come back, but when they did they were worth the wait. Our garden in LA was about as frost free as any in the hills and my biggest fear was the Santa Anas. Even in the shade, they burnt. It takes a long time to come back lush and green. The last time I got to visit my old garden over 10 years ago, my howeas were fantastic. Your garden will rival gardens in Hawaii with your beautiful grove of kentias.

It's been over 20 years since I've been to Mardy Darian's garden, his use of howeas always inspired me.

Here in Hawaii, for years I worked at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, a huge resort that used lots of potted kentias. Same deal there, they decline over the years and become not showy enough to stay in the hotel lobby, etc.

I didn't want them, only have 1 1/2 acre and I'm concentrating on true tropicals. So I suggested to my friend who was the head of the landscaping dept there, (many years ago) to plant them on a hill under some large trees in open shade at the resort. Today, this hill there had a tremendous group of surviving kentias.

As you can tell, I love kentias.

Good luck with your beautiful task of greening you space in the Hollywood Hills.

Not too many kentias around the Big Island. Of course I know where most of them are!

Aloha, Don

Don

Enjoyed reading your post especially since I live in Mt Washington. Perhaps I'll come across your old Kentia garden & take photos if possible.

[chris.oz]

I strolled into a palm place today and they had 20" and 24" boxed Kentias growing outdoors under 20% shade cloth. The worker there said that they would do fine in full sun but burnt leaves can be expected in the heat of summer, without killing the plant. They had them triple trunked and were going for $250. Is that a reasonable price?

Every Kentia I have seen in Melbourne is burned to brown paper on some of the leaves, but I have not seen one that was killed by the heat wave.

It was 47 C for 3 days in a row.

That's horrible was this the worst summer ever in Australia?

Happ,

Its the hottest its ever ever been. I have lived here 60 years . After a long drought, most of the King palms look bad. By contrast the Kentias generally look better. CIDP looks the worst for wear at the end of the summer but 95% are surviving well.

[chris.oz]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

aloha David,

I think that it is fantastic to plant so many kentias in the Hollywood Hills. For years I lived in the Mt. Washington area, in the hills. I had a source for rescue plants, almost dead kentias, once beautiful in a Hotel lobby. All total I planted at least 25 pots of almost dead palms. At least one third lived in various environments in our garden. From full shade to half day sun, they thrived. I kept them wet in the ammended decomposed granite, very slow to come back, but when they did they were worth the wait. Our garden in LA was about as frost free as any in the hills and my biggest fear was the Santa Anas. Even in the shade, they burnt. It takes a long time to come back lush and green. The last time I got to visit my old garden over 10 years ago, my howeas were fantastic. Your garden will rival gardens in Hawaii with your beautiful grove of kentias.

It's been over 20 years since I've been to Mardy Darian's garden, his use of howeas always inspired me.

Here in Hawaii, for years I worked at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, a huge resort that used lots of potted kentias. Same deal there, they decline over the years and become not showy enough to stay in the hotel lobby, etc.

I didn't want them, only have 1 1/2 acre and I'm concentrating on true tropicals. So I suggested to my friend who was the head of the landscaping dept there, (many years ago) to plant them on a hill under some large trees in open shade at the resort. Today, this hill there had a tremendous group of surviving kentias.

As you can tell, I love kentias.

Good luck with your beautiful task of greening you space in the Hollywood Hills.

Not too many kentias around the Big Island. Of course I know where most of them are!

Aloha, Don

Great story Don.

Ex hire Kentias are the fastest low cost way to get trunks.

Here a trunked Kentia sells for $500 per foot up to 5ft. An ex hire double or triple trunkless 10ft high [ too high for lots of rooms ] sells for $20-30 and takes another 2 years in the ground to start trunking. So just a little patience saves lot of money.

[Donald Sanders]

Hi,

Have between 50 and 60 kentias in the ground. Some only get a few hours of sun and a few get full blazing sun with lots of hardscape between them.

I've planted one gallons, three and five gallon community pots all the way up to large indoor specimens that were close to 20 gallons. I also planted my first 24" box kentia last fall.

My experience:

• Larger plants can take more direct sun. Planting in the fall is best, so the burn is minimal.
  
• South and West facing kentias benefit from a companion plant to provide some shade for a year or two. I've used ginger, bananas and taro.
  
• Kentias will do well as emergent palms, provided that they have at least 4 hours of sun. Much less and they grow at a painfully slow rate.
  
• They take as much water as a King palm, but are not as suited to standing water as Kings are. Some Kings will practically grow in a creek! Kentias must have good drainage.
  
• I've acclimated kentias grown for indoor culture by using 60% shade cloth over a bamboo frame and cutting holes in the cloth over a 120 day period. These palms are now grown on a south-west facing site in full sun -and growing well.
  
• I feed the kentias twice a year with compost and 4 to five times a year with palm food. A little of each and I do it a little at a time.
  

I'll try to post a couple of pics in the next few days. There a few in my Holywood area that are over 30 feet tall and look great!

David

aloha David,

I think that it is fantastic to plant so many kentias in the Hollywood Hills. For years I lived in the Mt. Washington area, in the hills. I had a source for rescue plants, almost dead kentias, once beautiful in a Hotel lobby. All total I planted at least 25 pots of almost dead palms. At least one third lived in various environments in our garden. From full shade to half day sun, they thrived. I kept them wet in the ammended decomposed granite, very slow to come back, but when they did they were worth the wait. Our garden in LA was about as frost free as any in the hills and my biggest fear was the Santa Anas. Even in the shade, they burnt. It takes a long time to come back lush and green. The last time I got to visit my old garden over 10 years ago, my howeas were fantastic. Your garden will rival gardens in Hawaii with your beautiful grove of kentias.

It's been over 20 years since I've been to Mardy Darian's garden, his use of howeas always inspired me.

Here in Hawaii, for years I worked at the Hilton Waikoloa Village, a huge resort that used lots of potted kentias. Same deal there, they decline over the years and become not showy enough to stay in the hotel lobby, etc.

I didn't want them, only have 1 1/2 acre and I'm concentrating on true tropicals. So I suggested to my friend who was the head of the landscaping dept there, (many years ago) to plant them on a hill under some large trees in open shade at the resort. Today, this hill there had a tremendous group of surviving kentias.

As you can tell, I love kentias.

Good luck with your beautiful task of greening you space in the Hollywood Hills.

Not too many kentias around the Big Island. Of course I know where most of them are!

Aloha, Don

Don

Enjoyed reading your post especially since I live in Mt Washington. Perhaps I'll come across your old Kentia garden & take photos if possible.

Aloha hap,

Sometimes I really miss our garden in Mt. Washington. I have no idea how intact it is from my days there, I left in '89 and have seldom returned, only to sell it in'98. It is for sale again and it might be easy to take a look. We grew everything, water was not expensive. Palms, aloes, bamboo, protea, euchalyptus, more. Besides the howeas,(I hear my 2 favorite howeas by the front door next to the rhopals are still beautiful) the livistonia decepins are huge, I wonder about my sabals. If you want to email me at donaldsandersmedia@yahoo.com I'll see how I can help you get to check it out. Our best friend and heighbor(we owned next door) was the late Ron Harris, a great horticulturalist, he collected just about everything tropical and planted it in the garden.

I would be glad to share any info you might like about growing the material we grew, I kept temp records in the garden from 3 locals for 5years. It was one of the best climates in the LA area.

Good luck.

Aloha, Don