Chamaerops humilis

[simona]

Hello there,

Is it possible to ID Chamaerops humils varieties from the dimensions/form of the seeds?

Here are some seeds I collected from different palms:

As I'm no etymologist and just tried to find out the meaning of the word "carpa" - Greek carpos, meaning "fruit"- I thought this brought the naming of the Chamaerops humilis varieties

Could it be that:

seed#1 (left) might be Dactylocarpa,

seed #2 (middle) - Macrocarpa,

seed #3 (right) - Microcarpa?

[FRITO]

Simona,

while I cannot be 100% sure by IDing seed, looking at the plant also will tell you what type. I know M@x (maximus) is knowledgebale with the varieties as he sees them in Italy.

I recieved some seeds and can definently tell the seed size diffrence in Macrocarpa , regular humilis, and Microcarpa seed. the seeds were larger to smaller respectively.

also the first strap leaf on microcarpa is small comapared to the long tall Macrocarpa leaf. I think all parrts will be larger on Macrocarpa and all parts will be smaller on microcarpa. seeds, seedlings, and mature plants.

as we know Chamaerops is definently variable.

[simona]

Thank you very much, Luke!

What about Dactylocarpa?

It seems that the most known varieties of Humilis are as follows:

Chamaerops humilis var. arborescens

Chamaerops humilis var. argentea

Chamaerops humilis var. cerifera

Chamaerops humilis var. elatior

Chamaerops humilis var. dactylocarpa

Chamaerops humilis var. glauca

Chamaerops humilis var. vulcano

Chamaerops humilis var. argentata

Chamaerops humilis var. gracilis

Chamaerops humilis var. macrocarpa

Chamaerops humilis var. microcarpa.

Is Chamaerops humilis var. arborescens the only one which grows tall?

What is the difference between "cerifera" and "argentata"?

[FRITO]

Simona, wow didnt reallize there were that many!

maybe a description or a picture of each would be nice.

never heard of Dactylocarpa before. I am interested in them all as regular humilis groes great here.

heres the Kew directory list with BOLD names only officially accepted names.

http://apps.kew.org/wcsp/qsearch.do?plantN...age=quickSearch

cerifera is a synonym for argentea. we have been calling it the wrong thing and I wonder why it continues.

[simona]

Hi Luke,

Yes, a description and a picture of each would be really helpful. I am also interested in all of them because of the same reason you mentioned.

I have collected some seeds and they really look different from palm to palm:

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4.

[simona]

Here some older pics:

For seeds No.1:

Have to make some new ones...

[simona]

Seeds No.4:

[simona]

One of the above ( forgot which exactly) has striped leaves:

[Phoenikakias]

Bump! Another 'variety' the 'braheocarpa'

[Phoenikakias]

And cmpared to three Brahea seeds

[Sabal Steve]

Interesting. I thought there were only green and silver varities... I've heard of "volcano" via "The Encyclopedia of Cultivated Palms (Vol. 2)", but didn't see any clear differences.

[Sabal Steve]

Bump! Another 'variety' the 'braheocarpa' DSC01972.JPGDSC01973.JPGDSC01974.JPGDSC01975.JPG

Would this be a Chaemerops hybridized with a Brahea sp.? If so, which one? Does it result in Chamaerops with larger leaves?

[turfpro01]

What would be the name of chamaerops that only grows single trunk?

I recently was looking threw a whole field and was noticing the different leaves, There seemed to be 3 types, one with long wispy leaves, one with shorter stiff waxy leafs, and most of them just like regular Chamaerops humilis green leafs. Is this normal in the wild or a result of seeds being collected from plants that cross pollinated different types?

Im surprised the different types or so hard to get, Ive tried to email European nursery's and I never get answered.

[Phoenikakias]

The single trunking variety is called 'arborescens'. But I doubt how hereditary with seeds this trait is. I have bought once a strap leaf seedling of this variety but it proved suckering, plus the most uniformly deeply green Chamaerops I have ever had!

I have three Braheas blooming nearby and at least one of them may have a coinciding bloom with this Chamaerops. But I am far less than an expert in intergeneric hybridization possibilities and i am not sure at all that hybridization, given that it took place, can already affect size and shape of seed and fruit. Sarasota Alex may be more appropriate to answer those questions.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Phoenikakias

[turfpro01]

I have some single trunks chamaerops growing around here. Two of them are in front of the same building and are the same height, planted at the same time. There about 15' tall. One is male, one is female. I have hi hopes that the resulting plants grow single trunk. Last year I got very few seeds, This year it was loaded up. And don't think there is any other chamaerops within a mile.

Ive seen maybe a dozen of these single trunk palms around, and they all seem about the same height, I think someone imported seeds and sold the plants of this variety. I never see any single trunk chamaerops of any other height.