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Euterpe precatoria cold hardiness...

Kostas

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Hello! :)

I would like to know how cold hardy E. precatoria is.Searching for it i didnt got much info on cold hardiness except the info on davesgarden which lists it hardy to +1,7 :( Has anyone tried this palm in areas where -2C or less tempratures occur?Does it burn there?Does it die?Would you think this as a less cold hardy palm in relation to normal E. edulis or about the same?Could it stand -3C or -4C and be ok afterwards?Defoliate but survive?

I am between this and E. adulis but like the E. precatoria much more due to its more drooping leaflets and bigger leaves...

Btw,why most E. edulis i see in photos dont have the almost vertically drooping leaflets i see at the one pictured in RPS?Variation within species,hybridization?Would you expect a E. edulis from RPS have vertically drooping leaflets or have the flatter leaves i see in other photos?

Thank you very much in advance! :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Alberto Grand Master

Alberto

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Kostas,you probably only saw young E.edulis (palmito-juçara) because at the understory phase the young´´juçaras´´ arent droopy and only began to droop after they cross the canopy. I think that it receives more light while it´s understory growing and more wind resistant when older and droopy,doing this...

Pic of juçaras in the atlantic forest near Morretes .

http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1117259064047705136eTMzzF

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your reply Alberto! :)

The ones in the picture you posted are beautyfull looking but they dont appear like that in many pictures unfortunately.No,i havent only been seeing understory Euterpes,in fact i havent been counting them as they do look quite different then,thank you very much for explaining that this is only due to shade and that they grow to be beautyfull once above canopy! :drool: If you search for Euterpe edulis pictures in Google you will get what i mean as many in sun have very curious,flattish leaves but maybe thats because they are still too young and have the juvenile type of leaves?Very probable...

What are the most obvious differences between E. edulis and precatoria?From what i can make from the pictures,E. precatoria must have longer leaves,much longer than wide in appearance, with a beautyfull slightly arching rachis and very droopy leaflets while E. edulis much smaller leafs and a more ''full'' appearance of the leaves,being about equally long and wide in appearance?Is E. precatoria a much larger palm?

Thank you very much in advance! :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Neofolis Veteran

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You could always try the weeping form of Dypsis onilahensis. Nice drooping leaflets, beautiful, white crownshaft and should be able to cope with a few degrees of frost.

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Corey Lucas-Divers

Dorset, UK

Ave Jul High 72F/22C (91F/33C Max)

Ave Jul Low 52F/11C (45F/7C Min)

Ave Jan High 46F/8C (59F/15C Max)

Ave Jan Low 34F/1C (21F/-6C Min)

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paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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mattyb tried one of these in socal & didnt have any luck with it,maybe he can explain himself. :angry:

:lol:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

MattyB Grand Master

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It died of pink rot. I didn't get to test it's cold hardiness.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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exactly. B)

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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I think that the E. edulis the southern cousin of our E. precatoria here for sure would be the best choice for your climate. I am putting in sort of a E. prectoria dominated landscape in some parts of my property in the country. This is a very common native palm around these parts, but it is still beautiful.

Some palims growing in a yard along the walk down to the bakery for bread this Sunday morning.

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I have 14 of them planted along what is the entry way to the lot and am going to put a few more in. And, scattered around the lot in the forest vegetation I have found about another 15 or so. I plan on having around 50 of them or so in different parts of the lot. I also am going to put in a few Euterpe olearcea on a few places. I figure they are about as nice a plam as you find, so since the are very easy to grow, and produce fruit as well, why not use a lot of them.

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Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

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Click here to visit Amazonas

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Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your replys! :)

Thank you for your suggestion Neofolis! :) I want a South American palm specifically as i am a fan of tropical South American freshwater fishes(especially plecos) and plants,especially Aroids,llianas in general,palms and huge trees(Kapok,Brazil nut tree,Sweetenia macrophylla,Cercropia sp. and others!)!I will check this species though for another place! :) Every palm with droopy leaves is beautfull!!!

I am sorry you lost your E. precatoria to pink rot Matty :( I think i had seen a photo of this palm of yours with you saying that it has pink rot and will die soon :(

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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Thank you very much for your reply amazondk! :)

It must be great to live near the rainforest and see wild tropical vegetation everyday and really beautfull palms just gtoing to the bakery :drool: As i said to Neofolis,i am a big fan of tropical south American fishes and plants so i can very much appreciate your photos and your view :drool: Euterpe precatoria is a great looking palm to have for sure! :) Now imagine having 50 of them :drool:

Any more info on the cold hardiness of this beautyfull species will be much appreciated! :)

Thank you very much in advance! :)

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Don, the E precatoria seed you sent me are doing really well. I must have got about 50% germination which is great IMO. They're all on the first leaf with some pushing the next spear. It will be a while until I try them outside the hothouse. I'm confident they'll overwinter fine in the hothouse. They're experiencing temps of approx 20C min to 34C max with RH from 70-100%. I'll try them outside when they're 4 or 5ft tall. I'm also trialling E edulis orange crownshaft from Argentina which should be really cold tolerant. They're just popping buttons from the seed right now. I'm quite excited about these. I've really grown to love Euterpes.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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Don, the E precatoria seed you sent me are doing really well. I must have got about 50% germination which is great IMO. They're all on the first leaf with some pushing the next spear. It will be a while until I try them outside the hothouse. I'm confident they'll overwinter fine in the hothouse. They're experiencing temps of approx 20C min to 34C max with RH from 70-100%. I'll try them outside when they're 4 or 5ft tall. I'm also trialling E edulis orange crownshaft from Argentina which should be really cold tolerant. They're just popping buttons from the seed right now. I'm quite excited about these. I've really grown to love Euterpes.

Best regards

Tyrone

Tyrone,

I was wondering how your little plants were doing. The ones a put in the ground were some of the seeds that germinated last year for a lot I did not send to Australia. Keep me posted how they do there.

Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

82331.gif

 

Click here to visit Amazonas

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amazondk Grand Master

amazondk

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Kostas,

I am glad you liked the pictures. We have E. precatorias growing all over the place. They are a native and lot of them just pop up. People tend to plant the E. olearcea for landscaping more than the E. precatoria. But, I like the E. precatoria better. It is such a regal tree. Speaking of our forest trees I do have 2 small Brazil nut trees I am going to plant toward the back of my land. They grow quite fast and get real big. You have to plant them where the need gourds do not pose too much a risk of falling and hitting people in the head.

dk

Don Kittelson

 

LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO

03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West

Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level

1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River

 

Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta

Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. .

82331.gif

 

Click here to visit Amazonas

amazonas2.jpg

Kostas Grand Master

Kostas

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I completely agree with you on E. precatoria being a more beautyfull species! :drool:

:lol: Yeah,but this adds to their beauty,such big fruits and such beautyfull and hard shelled seeds :drool: I would love to own one and in fact,i am between Mangifera indica,Ficus macrophylla var. columnaris and the Brazil nut tree for a shady spot i want to create in my yard...Havent decided yet...They are all beauties :unsure:

''To try,is to risk failure.......To not try,is to guarantee it''

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