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Germinating Licuala spinosa

Matt in SD

By Matt in SD
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Matt in SD

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I collected about 50-100 licuala spinosa seeds in Hilo a year ago in March. I kept them in a tupperware container in my fish tank incubator with bottom heat for nearly a year and not one sprouted. Nearly all the other seeds I collected on that trip had sprouted within the first couple months. The temp in there is 85-90 F.

A few months ago, I took all the good stuff out of there and turned off the bottom heat since I didn't have any new seeds to germinate. This tank is just sitting on a shelf in a dark place in my house, definitely NOT a warm spot. I looked today because I was going to get it going again for some new seeds, and well over half of the Licuala spinosa seeds have germinated, several with a full first leaf!? After more than a year, they nearliy all sprouted at the same time, and it seems to be timed with my turning off the bottom heat. I can imagine a sudden temperature increase making seeds germinate, but a sudden drop in temps? I'm baffled, but I guess I'm happy they germinated.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this before? Was I just keeping them too hot for the first year?

Matt

San Diego

0.6 Acres of a south facing, gently sloped dirt pile, soon to be impenetrable jungle

East of Mount Soledad, in the biggest cold sink in San Diego County.

Zone 10a (I hope), Sunset 24

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rthink

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This species usually takes a long time to germinate, even here in Thailand where the temperature is more than 80 F all year long. I 'm not sure if sudden drop or increase in temperature may affect the germination but personally i think it's not. :)

Chalermchart Soorangura

Bangkok, Thailand

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calyptrocalyx&licuala freck Mentor

calyptrocalyx&licuala freck

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Hi Matt & Chalermchart

You'll find Licuala's have a built in time clock,In other words may go dormant until

the next good rain falls set them off, What was the temp you had them at,

I've had something happen like that with L. elegans seed Taken off heat put under

a bench and strike after the fact.

Regards Mikey

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M.H.Edwards

"Living in the Tropic's

And loving it".............. smilie.gif

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Hi Matt & Chalermchart

You'll find Licuala's have a built in time clock,In other words may go dormant until

the next good rain falls set them off, What was the temp you had them at,

I've had something happen like that with L. elegans seed Taken off heat put under

a bench and strike after the fact.

Regards Mikey

Hi Mikey, what's for dinner Friday night ?

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

calyptrocalyx&licuala freck Mentor

calyptrocalyx&licuala freck

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Hi Matt & Chalermchart

You'll find Licuala's have a built in time clock,In other words may go dormant until

the next good rain falls set them off, What was the temp you had them at,

I've had something happen like that with L. elegans seed Taken off heat put under

a bench and strike after the fact.

Regards Mikey

Hi Mikey, what's for dinner Friday night ?

Hi Wal,

Friday you guys get into Town, Oh For Tea on Friday ,(Road Kill) It will be fresh.....

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M.H.Edwards

"Living in the Tropic's

And loving it".............. smilie.gif

aussiearoids Grand Master

aussiearoids

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Queensland style cane toad legs , marinated in XXXX and seared on a shovel ..

followed by a delicous curried wallaby ...

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

aussiearoids Grand Master

aussiearoids

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OHh and some cane grub coulis ... yummmm

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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I've had the same experience with L spinosa. I thought, these things although they looked fertile must have been fooling me. So I sort of forgot about them, but I didn't throw them. Anyway I found some local D lutescens seeds and I threw them in the same container as the L spinosa. I forgot that's what they were. Anyway the D lutescens seeds were on there third leaf, so I put the whole container into a bigger pot and put them outside in my shadehouse. Anyway later on I found all these monofid things coming up, and I had to really rack my brain to think what I'd had in the container before. The L spinosa's had germinated almost all at once about a year after collection. Weird little things. They were trying to trick me.

So the lesson is, never throw away your Licuala seeds people. They are probably playing dead and trying to fool you. If the seed was good when you got them and you've kept them in moist conditions that would germinate other species easily, then they're just waiting for something to be right before they germinate. :)

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

ariscott Grand Master

ariscott

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Is it the same with Pinanga seeds? I have P. insignis seeds that just sit there.... I was worried that I cleaned it a little too well. But, I dag them up and they weren't hollow or rotted, so :blink:

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Michael I'm never eating at your place. :hmm::lol:

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

calyptrocalyx&licuala freck Mentor

calyptrocalyx&licuala freck

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Queensland style cane toad legs , marinated in XXXX and seared on a shovel ..

followed by a delicous curried wallaby ...

Sounds the go Michael,

What ya reckon Wal, I'll Forget the Grubs :sick:

But give you some to take home from down the road.

Back on Track now..........................

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M.H.Edwards

"Living in the Tropic's

And loving it".............. smilie.gif

aussiearoids Grand Master

aussiearoids

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Is it the same with Pinanga seeds? I have P. insignis seeds that just sit there.... I was worried that I cleaned it a little too well. But, I dag them up and they weren't hollow or rotted, so :blink:

Regards, Ari :)

I can dig it Ari , I dug up some seeds the other day , but only found some old dags ..

Michael in palm paradise,

Tully, wet tropics in Australia, over 4 meters of rain every year.

Home of the Golden Gumboot, its over 8m high , our record annual rainfall.

ariscott Grand Master

ariscott

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The Wallabies not too bad if cooked right, the cane toads sounds a bit off though :unsure:

Regards, Ari :)

Ari & Scott

Darwin, NT, Australia

-12°32'53" 131°10'20"

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Jakkrit Enthusiast

Jakkrit

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Mature plant in my country , Thailand.

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60 meters above the sea level with less than 1000 mm annual rain.

Temperature range is 16 - 38 °C , average is 28 °C approximately.

Start to collected palms , cycads and succulent plants since 2004.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Jakkrit, they're a beautiful palm. Some think they are a bit messy because alot of the pics in books show ones that have been a bit battered from the wind. But protect them a bit and they're beautiful. I've got a few coming along in my greenhouse.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Thanks for the dinner offer boys, but I've been eating wallaby stew all week, need a change and forget the cane toad legs, too much sinew but the xxxx sounds fine.

As for Licuala spinosa germinating, good luck to those giving them a crack.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Gbarce Grand Master

Gbarce

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You Aussies have a language all your own :huh::wacko::blink:

As for the Licuala Spinosa I guess its the same as all other Licualas--it may take up to 3 years to germinate :(

Gene

Manila, Philippines

53 feet above sea level - inland

Hot and dry in summer, humid and sticky monsoon season, perfect weather Christmas time

http://freakofnaturezzz.blogspot.com/

bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Wow, this thread is all over the place! Tyrone, you'd better hold on to that hamster of yours. With these people looking for dinner, nothing is safe! :mrlooney:

Ari - Pinanga seeds are fast and easy germinators. Shouldn't take more than 2-3 months before you see the first spike peeking up.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

Jakkrit Enthusiast

Jakkrit

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Hi, tyrone

I agree with your mentioned , some palm species looks bad and not interesting because of their bad pictures.

Hi , matt . Do not forget L.distans and L.filoformis , if you grow them together with your L.spinosa for the vary height I think this should be almost perfect looking. :--)

Regards,

Jakkrit

60 meters above the sea level with less than 1000 mm annual rain.

Temperature range is 16 - 38 °C , average is 28 °C approximately.

Start to collected palms , cycads and succulent plants since 2004.

Tyrone Grand Master

Tyrone

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Yes, us Aussies do have a language all of our own. The "xxxx" mentioned is actually a Queensland beer, for those who weren't quite following. It wasn't a way of beeping out something else, although many would disagree. :lol:

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

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