Local Phoenix Sp..

[Kris]

Hey guys  

Iam shure all of you have see this variety in my garden threads..

Now it has began to fruit and i think it would take one and

half to 2 months to ripe provided it does not rain heaviely..

Here are few still of this indian phoenix variety..

Love,

Kris.

[Kris]

One more still of that palm_

[Kris]

Stills_

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Fruit Close-Up  

[M@ximus]

Ciao  Kris!!

Wich Phoenix  is ?

Sylvestris  or  loureiroi ??

Very  beautyful   M@x

[Exotic Life]

Kris,

Just like Max say, very nice palm!

Robbin

[SubTropicRay]

The trunk looks Sylvester-like.

[DoomsDave]

Hmm.  Could be either sylvestris or lourerii.

Kris, can you give us a full shot of the whole plant, or failing that, a couple of combined shots of the crown and the trunk?

dave

[Kris]

Dear folks  

in india we do not have Sylystersis,think i got that spelling

right.all we have is the one seen in rarepalmseeds.com

variety_its the Loureirai or indian mountain date palm..

the local call it the Echa Maram,and the fruits are edible,but

not to the quality of majdool dates from N.africa & middle east.

I knew preety well that all phoenix lovers will certainly respond to this thread.And Max,Robbin & dave you guys are

regular so your interaction did not surprise me at all..

And as the fruits mature and when the seeds are ready for

cleaning and packing i will PM you & others who have asked

for these seeds earlier.And i will seed these seeds free,

but the priority will be based on how much you guys love

the phoenix Sp.and willing to experiment in your climatic

conditions.lets pray that i harvesh plenty of those seeds,

and wish it does not rain till harvest.

Dear Max & Robbin i think i have answered your question.

And Dear Dave_My Buddy.i will try to post what angle you

have asked.but if you want to see those palms,right away

then please go to kris garden welcomes you thread.

you will see lots of this & other date palms in many angles

there.

and i wish to say that this phoenix is not green or silver,ash

in colour but mild blueish in colour the still from the digital

camera does not do any justice.and its a very fast grower.

and i have trimmed the leaves heaviely because i wanted

you all to see the seeds clearly.and the next season i will

have to employ proffessional climbers to do the job.

as my ladder cannot reach the desired height.  ???

Thanks & Love,

Kris  

[Scott]

Kris - that's really beautiful! Please keep us updated with more photos!

A flowering palms is always a beautiful site.

Thanks for sharing!

[Kris]

Dear Scotty  

Always Welcome ! my friend. and i will keep you all posted

with new developments too..

Love,

Kris.

[Kris]

Dear folks

some bad news,there was a sudden bust of rain fall 2 weeks

ago and this happens when the mercury starts to go up !

but many of the phoenix young seeds started to fall even

without becoming big ? and the fruits are also without

hard seeds.this is preety new to me_since this is the 3rd time

its fruiting.but in the preivous occassions we had a rip fruit and a hard seed.and where ever the seeds fell.there were new phoenix sprouts like weeds.

here are the still for you to follow what is happening here !

Love,

Kris  

[Kris]

in the above stills the white granuals seen are all seeds

that fell after the rain fall.

here are some more_

[Kris]

Some stills_

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Close up of the growing seeds that are still left over_

[Kris]

and a long shot to sum it up !  

[M@ximus]

Ciao  Kris!!

I  don't  think is  real  bad!

mother  nature  do his course!

Ciao , Ciao     M@x

[amazon exotics]

Kris, I thought Sylvestris were from India?

[Zac in NC]

Very nice Kris. Looks like you still have some seeds there, perhaps the ones that fell weren't fertile?

Zac

[RRONNIE]

Dear Kris

May your dates be full, sweet and tasty like our dates...

Ronnie

[Kris]

Dear Guys_Thank you very much for those inspiring words.

dear max my only worry here is that for the past 2 years are so,we used to sweep clean the foot of this phoenix tree

which had plently of rock solid seeds all had gone waste.

since its not very popular here in s.india.

but now i wish to send it as gifts to phoenix lovers world wide

its behaving preety merky(i meant the climate & the palm).

dear derek_i honestly do not know what variety it is,but looks

more bluiesh to our eyes that silverish.

dear zac_iam very glad that you like it.and i was of the opnion that you love the fan palms more that the feather

palms(Phoenix type).it is clear now that all members of our

forum are true palm lovers_irrespective of the palm variety.

dear Ronnie_its nice to hear from you and i must say they

are not edible dates meaning that its more of hard seed &

less of fruit pulp.and the fruit ripes in its trunk itself.

the colour of the fruit is dark brown colour in matt finish

and turns black & falls to the ground.

this veriety can grow to 50 to 60 feet high effortlesly in

a span of 15 to 18 years in our hot climate.

and they usually die due to lightning stricks and does not have any seceptibality to nutrition diffecency,insect attack

or beetles...

if this palm is properly fed with your type of fertz it will grow like a jamboo,but no idea on cold tolerance,that is the aspect we will have to experiment now !  

Thanks and i will keep you guys informed on this front.

Love,

Kris  

[rubyz]

(amazon exotics @ Mar. 24 2007,21:00)

QUOTE

Kris, I thought Sylvestris were from India?

This is correct.

Kris, why do you say there is no p. sylvestris in India? ???

[Kris]

Dear Rubyz  

hey iam not an expert on palm identification.and the phoenix

that is in our house garden is seeds gathered from the wild.

as i was travelling on our highways i found this vierity

disturbing my concentration,since our outskirts are full of this palm.so i stopped my car and began collecting the seeds.

many did germinate very easily and were given away to friends

who still have it in pots like i have some.but i think none of

them were grounded.

so i do not know what variety i have.and the huge pit which was

initially dug for CIDP was given away to this local phoenix.

if given an option that i have to fell this tree to make

space to CIDP or Bizie Lady i will do it myself.

since i do not wish to grow the common varities or those

which my neighbours grow.

So that's how it is here on my side.

Love,

Kris  

[Kris]

Dear Friends  

here are few links to sites that host details about Phoenix,

compare those stills & details.and let me know what variety

i have in our garden ?

http://www.rareseedsource.com/proddetail.php?prod=silverdate

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/shop/PhoRou.shtml

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/shop/PhoSyl.shtml

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/shop/PhoHum.shtml

I hope these links will shed some light to the questions

raised by some of my friends like_Derek,Dave-So Cal,

Ray,Rubyz & Dear Max...

Hope to see some intreasting discusions on it later !  

Love,

Kris(India).

[Kris]

Dear Dave from SoCal  

Here are those long shots that you have asked of this phoenix

and sorry for the delay in posting these still.i was bit busy

with arranging some stills for uploading.dear buddy kindly

bear with me.

Love,

Kris  

[Kris]

this one also goes out to our friend_Dave !  

[Bayou Bob]

You definitely have a Phoenix sylvestris, once thought to be the progenitor of the true date (dactylifera), but now recognized as a distinct species. THe best, most recent monograph on Phoenix is by Sasha Barrow, published by Kew in Britain. The variable Phoenix loureirii has red fruit, also occasionally marginally edible like sylvestris. I must say it is a stunning specimen. We have very few true, pure P. sylvestris in California, unfortunately.

[Kris]

(Bayou Bob @ Apr. 02 2007,23:41)

QUOTE

You definitely have a Phoenix sylvestris, once thought to be the progenitor of the true date (dactylifera), but now recognized as a distinct species. THe best, most recent monograph on Phoenix is by Sasha Barrow, published by Kew in Britain. The variable Phoenix loureirii has red fruit, also occasionally marginally edible like sylvestris. I must say it is a stunning specimen. We have very few true, pure P. sylvestris in California, unfortunately.

Dear Bob  

that information is very useful,since i did not know what

species i had at my home garden !

and as you said my phoenix puts out fruits that are dark

brown colour,and not red fruits.

so you have got a point !

and glad you like it,thanks for those useful info's on our

phoenix.

:ove,

Kris(india)  

And Rubyz i think you got that right_my friend..

[Kris]

Dear David  

here is the still you asked for ! the palm Doc at work,and its

kris at work.. :cool:

[Kris]

David One more For you !

[Kris]

now it has started dizilling in madras,the heat is going down

but along with it even our phoenix seeds too !  

[Kris]

another angle around the palm_

[Kris]

lets take stock of the damage due to fall in temperature and

untimely rains_

[Kris]

another side of this trunk and a close-up_

[Kris]

Just Bumping this thread ! and more uploads on its way with

report on seeds harvest_And regulars be in touch.

[Kris]

our garden phoenix stills as of now,after me making some

harvest of seeds...here are the visuals !

[Kris]

some left overs since i could not lay my hands on it.due to

spines..

[Kris]

this still is specifically taken for the next photography contest

....hey iam just kidding !  

[Kris]

now lets see some of the seeds stalk or branch...here are

some close-ups !

[Kris]

those that had good or fleshy seeds were all hand picked

and taken in for saftey.since i have here lots of squrriel

menace.a still of that stalk...