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Hi all,

Yesterday I was making a trip in the extreme southern part of new caledonia. I was going to a particular botanic reserve I already visited 2 times.

But never took some decent pics.

I had already found seven species and I was there for three of those.

3h driving and 5H inside the forest. 5km only and just took 500m in elevation so it was not really hard. But some part were particulary difficult and it

was a rainy day. So climbing on big block stone was not easy and I made some very interesting slides on them...

Here are the first pics.

There are a lot of palms everywhere and I always start by this group of Basselinia eriostachys. Pure beauty.

this pic is from the first trip I done here

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those are new one

this is a colored one from the clump of the first pic

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A taller one with inflorescence

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An inflorescence that was on the ground

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Mat.

Posted

Always B.eriostachys

Say I to mum...

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this is what you can see 2m around mum. Be carefull where you put your feet.

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Mat.

Posted

I said you I was there for three. This is one of the three. Be prepared before looking at following pics. I'm already sure you never saw

this particular form of Chambeyronia macrocarpa...

and I'm already sure too that some of you will say they have one or several like this one. And I'm always sure that others will say it's the regular one.

definitely not possible and this form is particulary impressive.

This is the first one I discovered during my very first trip here. no comments.

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Mat.

Posted

Others form have usualy stiffer leaflets, Definitely many much more leaflets, shorter petiole. And My friends those one have ultra wide leaflets !

very impressive. For sure this is partially cause of shade. but as you will see they take some sun. I had already seen several population of Chambey including

some other regular one. With lot of shade and often many more shade they never shown those extreme characteristic. I had seen one in cultivation few month ago close to other form.

very easy to make the difference.

Here is another one 10m away from the first one

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This is another one a little bit younger and showing a red new leaf

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Mat.

Posted

20 cm on my right

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20 cm on my left

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2m on my left. here is mum. pretty tall.

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Mat.

Posted

Try to count how much they are here

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Tell me if I'm wrong but couldn't remember seeing a so fully colored new leaf on a seedling of that size

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Mat.

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here are few pics to correctly illustrate some of those particular characteristic

first pic to have a correct idea of the size of this one. We all have some of this size.

you could already apreciate what I means by longer petiole

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bonus on this one a red leaf. You can now understand why I said others are siffer. They all show very drooping leaflets.

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Please remember size of the crownshaft. and look at how wide this leafleat is !

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Now take a look at the distance between leaflets. reason why there are so few on the pics you saw about some taller one.

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Mat.

Posted

This is another one from the three I wanted to show. This is one of the Caledonian dream team. Kentiopsis pyriformis purple form.

When you enter the reserve... there are imediately tausends of seedlings. But to find a big one you can search some hours. Those one were eaten for their edible growing point.

After taking a look at the first bunch of B.eriostachys and after seeing the first two big Chambey UWL (ulta wide leaflets)... I always go to take a look at this first K.pyriformis.

It's a pure beauty.

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Almost red-brown crownshaft

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Heavy channeled petiole with very sharp edges you can easly cut yourself with.

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looking at the crown

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Mat.

Posted

Here are some nice seedling pics. They are almost distichous like K.magnifica.

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Mat.

Posted

Mat,

Great pictures from habitat. Please, keep them coming. This is a group of palms that we rarely get to see in habitat.

Jeff

Searle Brothers Nursery Inc.

and The Rainforest Collection.

Southwest Ranches,Fl.

Posted

See how much leaflets are nervured.

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the two following pics show the last I found in elevation. Around 280m. Above this elevation in the area I was no other Kentiopsis but lot of other palms.

those palms in elevation were definitely much more colored than others. They are taking much more sun cause we leave the heavy forest.

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Mat.

Posted

Those pics are from green Kentiopsis. It was another reason why I was thinking to come back. To check if there are a lot. To be sure it's nothing else.

I found some yesterday. Let me know what you think about those green one.

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Mat.

Posted

Thanks for the pics. It looks very wet in the forest. It's great to see so many little Chambeyronia's growing in the forest.

Best regards

Tyrone

Millbrook, "Kinjarling" Noongar word meaning "Place of Rain", Rainbow Coast, Western Australia 35S. Warm temperate. Csb Koeppen Climate classification. Cool nights all year round.

 

 

Posted

some other pics from green Kentiopsis.

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bobsleg is possible here

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Mat.

Posted

Now take a look at some taller one. They are very impressive.

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Mat.

Posted

other big one with some details. very impressive but very difficult to found.

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Don't you want one at home now...

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Mat.

Posted

Nursery

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Pandanus and Kentiopsis forest.

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Mat.

Posted

This one was very tall. more than 10m of trunk fore sure. The only one I found that will flowering soon. No old inflorescence on the ground. Maybe the first time.

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Mat.

Posted

Tanks Jeff and Tyone.

Chambeyronia mac is growing like weeds everywhere in NC. No problem with this one. Would like to be the same for some others.

Stop pics for today. will continue tomorrow. 4 species remaining.

Mat.

Posted

Mat, Thanks for posting those awesome habitat pics! What a great way to spend the day. Looking forward to more pics :drool: .

Thanks,

Steve

Urban Rainforest Palms,Cycads and Exotics. Were in San Diego Ca. about 5 miles from the beach on Tecolote canyon. It seems to be an ideal growing climate with moderate temps. and very little frost. Vacation Rental in Leilani Estates, big island Hi PM me if interested in staying there.

Posted

Thanks for the great photos Mat.

No one cares about your current yard temperature 🙃

Posted

Just incredible again Mat!. Were you able to find any of those Mac in much more sun? Did I understand right that someone you know has seedlings? If so, are they keeping this trait?

Thanks again for the photos and the trip!!!

Bill

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Posted

Thanks for the brilliant photos Mat, and I look forward to more. I'm not sure if you're into plants other than palms, but do you know the identity of the plant with the long leaves in pic#3? It looks like it could be some type of Meryta?

San Fernando Valley, California

Posted

Just incredible Mat! Thank you very much for posting these habitat pictures!!

Dave Hughson

Carlsbad, Ca

1 mile from ocean

Zone 10b

Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!!

Posted

Nice work Matt. Very interesting pics.

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Posted

Thanks Mat! We are very lucky to have you showing us the wonders of New Caledonia...please keep feeding us! :drool:

Robert de Jong

San Clemente, CA

 

Willowbrook Nursery

Posted

Mat, thanks for the great habitat photos. That wide leaf Chambeyronia macrocarpa is just incredible!

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

Posted

Merci beaucoup Mat. Unfortunately I couldn't view all the pics for some reason. Never mind, I will vist NC next year as it's only a 2 or 3 hour flight from here. When's a good time to visit? I had in mind July.

cheers

Richard

Posted

Those Chambeyronia leaflets in post #7 are astonishing, maybe others have seen leaflets this large, but I have not. Thank you, Mat, for sharing your expedition with us, habitat photos are my favorite.

Kim Cyr

Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA
and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow
All characters  in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

Posted
Just incredible again Mat!. Were you able to find any of those Mac in much more sun? Did I understand right that someone you know has seedlings? If so, are they keeping this trait?

Thanks again for the photos and the trip!!!

Bill

Hi Bill, Yes they were some very tall specimen that reach the canopy and had the head in full sun. It's much more difficult to see the difference then. I estimated the number of leaflets each side of the rachis. just a little bit less than usually. but take in mind another standard Chambey same size and full sun too, they don't have the same aspect.

and as I said I had seen several population of regular Chambeyronia, sometimes in deeper forest, and they never shown those extreme characteristic.

about your last question, I saw just one in cultivation and it had definitely the same characteristic. It was already a nice palm close to trunking if I correctly remember.

Mat.

Posted
Thanks for the brilliant photos Mat, and I look forward to more. I'm not sure if you're into plants other than palms, but do you know the identity of the plant with the long leaves in pic#3? It looks like it could be some type of Meryta?

Sorry Peter but can't help you. I'm just in palm.

Mat.

Posted

Many thanks all for your comments. Will continue this evening. I'm going somewhere today to take a look at some B.deplancheii.

Mat.

Posted

simply amazing shots,mat.this is the kind of thing we all dream of,i'm sure. :yay:

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Posted

Thanks mate.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Posted

great pics mat.

those newcal palms sure are sweet to look at

its a pitty that they are so slow growing

jim

Located on Vanua Levu near Savusavu (16degrees South) Elevation from sealevel to 30meters with average annual rainfall of 2800mm (110in) with temperature from 18 to 34C (65 to 92F).

Posted

Thanks Mat, great shots. I just wish my K. pyriformis would hurry up and look like some of those...

Tim Brisbane

Patterson Lakes, bayside Melbourne, Australia

Rarely Frost

2005 Minimum: 2.6C,  Maximum: 44C

2005 Average: 17.2C, warmest on record.

Posted

Merci beacoup, Mr. Mat!

More pictures, please.

We can't get enough of New Caledonia palms, as you should be able to tell by now.

(Hmm. Wonder if France can use another lawyer?)

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Posted
here are few pics to correctly illustrate some of those particular characteristic

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Mat.

Wow, look at all of those pokes and scratches. That is a gardener's hand if I have ever seen one. Congrats. :rolleyes:

In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages

Posted

Hi all,

Many thanks for all the new comments.

We can now continue to look at some other pics.

Here are some B.pancheri. There were a lot of them growing in elevation but very few with kentiopsis at lower elevation.

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Mat.

Posted

some Cyphophoenix fulcitus in elevation too.

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Take a look at this one. Like monsters with their inflorescences.

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Mat.

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