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Survivor - Palm Style

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redant Grand Master

redant

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OK, I'll play but you you need to answer my question :D

Serenoa repens, they are able to tollerate everthing you mentioned. One tough palm. And it's not so far fetched.

Jupiter FL

in the Zone formally known as 10A

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Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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Sabal minor. I have two in small pots, there is absolutely no soil left in the pots, they've copped all weather. I don't understand why they are still alive. These will survive the day after tomorrow.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Probably Trachycarpus.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Dean,

What a charming scenario! Can't wait... :(  And a mini ice age! What makes you think there are going to be ANY palms???

Bo-Göran

But maybe Nannorrhops?? A palm I've never tried.

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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MattyB Grand Master

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I don't know Bo.  If my Trachy rots then I think your Nannorhops is a gonner too.  But I was assuming that there wasn't any canopy and there would be full sun.  If there's canopy then what about Howea forsteriana?  Ahhhhh nevermind, not cold hardy enough.  

I'll nominate another:  Phoenix canariensis var. rigida

I hear it's cold hardy to -400F.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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Derek,

Acoelorraphe wrightii---I think that may be better than my initial thought.

It can sit in water, even salty water, tolerate hurricanes, take cold and heat, and propagate by suckering even if the seeds were consumed. I've never had a bug on mine, or lost a crown to rot. Only potential drawback, they don't like drought. But they may tolerate drought better than others tolerate constant wet conditions. Also, I don't think they handle shade too well.

Some of the other suggestions, so far, don't take some of those factors into consideration. I don't think Butias would handle the soggy soil of a long wet season. And I don't know how much rats like to eat the seeds of Sabal. And both of those don't appreciate shade either.

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Kona, on The Big Island
Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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Matt,

I think you and others are so in tune to worrying about cold that you consider that "the" determining factor. Such as in your CIDP pick. They are already dying out in places due to that fungus. And some palms are almost extinct in the wild already due to tasty seed. So there are others factors equally as limiting. If no seed sprouts, no palms, unless it can spread by other means.

And Bo, re: Mini Ice Age, even then the equatorial regions would still support palms, but probably not "desert" type palms.

Again, I know this is silly, and there is no real answer, but I'm bored today.

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Hawaii - Land of Volcanoes

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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OK, I see where you're going with this.  Maybe something like a Phoenix reclinata would be a competitor....or Trithrinax campestris....

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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bgl Grand Master

bgl

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Dean,

BORED!! You're not supposed to be bored in paradise!! I'm too busy to be bored! And why not plant some of those palms you have in pots? :D

Bo-Göran

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Oh, shnap!  Bo's callin' you out!  It's a palm celebrity death match. :P   There will be a challenge:  Who can dig the most planting holes through the lava with only a spoon and a screwdriver...ready  go!

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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bgl Grand Master

bgl

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A SPOON!! Ha ha...you're not going to get far with a spoon in this terrain! :D

Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm

 

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Dypsisdean Grand Master

Dypsisdean

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I knew it was only a matter of time before someone would make my silly topic more silly. And to think, it was Bo and Matt.  :P

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Kona, on The Big Island
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Zac in NC Veteran

Zac in NC

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(MattyB @ Aug. 24 2006,18:31)

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Oh, shnap!  Bo's callin' you out!  It's a palm celebrity death match. :P   There will be a challenge:  Who can dig the most planting holes through the lava with only a spoon and a screwdriver...ready  go!

Make that a spork and a screwdriver and you got yourself a deal. JK

Zac

Zac  

Living to get back to Mexico

International Palm Society member since 2007

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BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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The mind reels at the directions one could go in this off centered thread.... :P

So, I'll stick to the topic to keep the swelling down!

I vote for Washingtonia, then maybe Phoenix Dactylifera?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

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paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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(Wal @ Aug. 24 2006,17:11)

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Sabal minor. I have two in small pots, there is absolutely no soil left in the pots, they've copped all weather. I don't understand why they are still alive. These will survive the day after tomorrow.

wal-- i got the "day after tomorrow" reference :D

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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I nominate Arenga engleri.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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