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I love Howea forsteriana (have three solitary ones), and just purchased a Howea belmoreana.

I have read that H. belmoreana does not do well in containers. Is this true?

Any cultural differences between the two species?

Do you prefer one to the other, why?

Thanks in advance.

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1 hour ago, oasis371 said:

I love Howea forsteriana (have three solitary ones), and just purchased a Howea belmoreana.

I have read that H. belmoreana does not do well in containers. Is this true?

Any cultural differences between the two species?

Do you prefer one to the other, why?

Thanks in advance.

I read the same thing after adding a 4" palm to my Floribunda order!  It was one of the ones that didn't arrive in the best shape and it didn't survive 2 weeks in the medium it was sent in so maybe it wasn't happy with it.  :(  Not typical as vast majority of palms were in excellent condition.  Hopefully others will offer other experiences - hard to make a judgement based on my experience.

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From my limited experience, Howea belmoreana is more rare for a reason.  They don't grow as readily as forsteriana.  Even in my much less than optimal climate, there are a few nice Howea forsteriana here.  I haven't seen too many Howea belmoreana outside of a few on each coast.

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On 9/24/2021 at 4:44 PM, oasis371 said:

I love Howea forsteriana (have three solitary ones), and just purchased a Howea belmoreana.

I have read that H. belmoreana does not do well in containers. Is this true?

Any cultural differences between the two species?

Do you prefer one to the other, why?

Thanks in advance.

I’ve been growing belmoreanas as a houseplant for approximately 5 years now. I treat them the same as my forsterianas.  They take up more space, are more rigid in form than the forsterianas.  I find the forsts fit in better where placed while belmos are like a rigid piece of sculpture—- not too bendable and other room items need to work around them.   I’ve always heard that the belmos are more popular in Europe, England and Forsts in the USA.  Not sure how true that is but I found belmos difficult to locate in USA, and especially in the northeast. I’m in New England and our Summers in RI by the ocean are cool, not often hot and so probably closer to the non-tropical, maritime climate where these palms originate. I keep them in shade, dappled sunlight in summer - nothing too hot or sunny.  During winter I keep them indoors on the drier side, providing as much sunlight as possible.  They will do well in a bright sunless window though.  I just noticed you are in NJ; if I can grow them up here then you can too.  Some photos below of my belmoreanas   The last photo is one of my forsterianas.

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Your palms look terrific!

The difference in appearance between these two species is rather subtile, I guess.  It seems that H. belmoreana leaves are more rigid, less vertical, and more lustrous compared to to the H. forsteriana.  You right about going light on the Winter watering, that's how I lost one.  Most people also seem to put these into big pots thinking they will grow better and it actually only hurts them.  I also think they resent heavy soils.  All mine go outside for the growing season but I keep the Howeas in bright shade to dappled sun light.  Where did you get yours, Howeas of either species are difficult to get on the East Coast, most seem to come out of California, even though I have seen them being grown in Florida. Do you suspect the belmoreanas can take more direct sun? Do you personally prefer one species over the other?

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2 hours ago, oasis371 said:

Your palms look terrific!

The difference in appearance between these two species is rather subtile, I guess.  It seems that H. belmoreana leaves are more rigid, less vertical, and more lustrous compared to to the H. forsteriana.  You right about going light on the Winter watering, that's how I lost one.  Most people also seem to put these into big pots thinking they will grow better and it actually only hurts them.  I also think they resent heavy soils.  All mine go outside for the growing season but I keep the Howeas in bright shade to dappled sun light.  Where did you get yours, Howeas of either species are difficult to get on the East Coast, most seem to come out of California, even though I have seen them being grown in Florida. Do you suspect the belmoreanas can take more direct sun? Do you personally prefer one species over the other?

Thanks Oasis.  Yes I agree on the smaller pots for the Howeas to prevent over watering. That’s probably what makes the belmoreana more of a pain to deal with indoors: top heavy, small pots, rigid petioles - when you brush past them indoors them they don’t yield tipping the pot over.  Whereas, forsterianas fit better indoors (furniture, wall hangings, pets, etc) ; more flexible fronds, looser arrangement.  I tie the petioles together before bringing indoors to save horizontal space, that’s why my forsteriana photo appears so upright.  You really can’t do that with belmos.  I guess it depends on how much interior space one has.  If I had to choose one it would be forsteriana for indoors.

 

My understanding is that belmoreana likes more sun than forsteriana.  I think forsteriana prefers shade when immature as it is understory, lowlands level until it trunks high up.

 

I agree that CA is the place to go for Howeas in the US, as opposed to FL being reliable for most of our other potted exotics. Florida is too hot for their ideal temps.  Think Bermuda; I think Bermuda would be our closest east coast reference point for a similar Lord Howe Island climate.

 

To purchase Howea belmoreana, look up Jungle Music palms and cycads in Encinitas, CA.  Great customer service; top notch in my opinion.

 

I bought 1 gallons from them and appears they are available for a reasonable price. They shipped at a substantial size; very robust plants. Actually, not sure how they would ship greater than 2 gallons — you might think you purchased a washing machine when the big box arrives on your doorstep:)

 

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PsyPalm

@piping plovers great looking palms!  I feel like it's so rare to see belmoreanas, I'm over in Seattle and have yet to find any locally.   I especially love the exaggerated drape of the fronds, that's interesting to hear they are more rigid than forsteriana, definitely good to know!  

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18 hours ago, PsyPalm said:

Thanks PsyPalm. Are you able to grow Howeas outdoors year round In Seattle?  I understand they’re grown outdoors in San Francisco.  With prevailing maritime climate of Pacific I imagine that puts you guys in a better situation than many of us in more northern latitudes in US.  Am Not sure if Seattle area is frost free zone.

On the exaggerated recurved fronds of belmoreana, I think it makes them more architectural in appearance than forsteriana.  In the Victorian era paintings you often see them displayed in an ornate pot, solitary on a pedestal displayed like sculpture. In those palatial settings, though, they had ample interior spaces.

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Darold Petty

I am super busy today but will post numerous comments later, or tomorrow.  I grow trunked examples of both species out of doors.  :) 

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I have had 1 forsteriana and 1 belmoreana in the ground for many years. Both have real trouble with FL’s hot, humid summers so are located deep in my back yard jungle. They made it through another SWFL summer and should be secure now winter dry season is here. Both are cool weather loving temperate palms. Forsteriana comes from lower elevations of Lord Howe Island and is the easiest species to grow. It wants cool temps between 50-70F. It hates very cold and very warm temps. My forsteriana (germinated 2004//05) has 2-3’ of clear trunk. Belmoreana comes from higher elevations of Lord Howe, is slower growing and requires even cooler temps to be happy. My belmoreana, bought ca. 2005 as a 1g is 5’ tall and still hasn’t formed a trunk.

The other two Lord Howe palms, Hedyscepe and my impossible dream palm Lepidorrhachis are from the highest heights of the island and impossible to grow in FL or anywhere with hot summers.

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6 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

The other two Lord Howe palms, Hedyscepe and my impossible dream palm Lepidorrhachis are from the highest heights of the island and impossible to grow in FL or anywhere with hot summers.

Good information there on the native growing conditions of the 2 Howeas.  I needed to look up the Lepidorrhachis you mentioned; fascinating form on that one.  At  first glance reminded me of mature Rhopalostylis and Howea belmoreana.

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I have ordered two of these today for delivery. later this week. They are about 5 foot tall.  I already have an Howea F out on my porch which came with me to Portugal from the UK.  It didn't blink with the hot dry summer given being kept well shaded and also hosed down with regular watering. As already stated, the belmoreana might not be quite as forgiving in respect of the hot dry summers, but my house is made of solid stone which keeps things relatively cool even on some of the hottest days and so they can be moved around easily enough to suit the conditions. An outside kitchen is to be constructed hopefully next year and these will be ideal for it - benefitting from being within the cool stone walls but with arched recesses in the walls to let in plenty of light and through-breezes as well:)

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On 10/4/2021 at 11:33 AM, petiole10 said:

I have ordered two of these today for delivery. later this week. They are about 5 foot tall.  I already have an Howea F out on my porch which came with me to Portugal from the UK.  It didn't blink with the hot dry summer given being kept well shaded and also hosed down with regular watering. As already stated, the belmoreana might not be quite as forgiving in respect of the hot dry summers, but my house is made of solid stone which keeps things relatively cool even on some of the hottest days and so they can be moved around easily enough to suit the conditions. An outside kitchen is to be constructed hopefully next year and these will be ideal for it - benefitting from being within the cool stone walls but with arched recesses in the walls to let in plenty of light and through-breezes as well:)

Sounds like a great outdoors living area for palms and people.  Post some photos when they arrive!

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On 10/8/2021 at 1:12 AM, piping plovers said:

Sounds like a great outdoors living area for palms and people.  Post some photos when they arrive!

Here are a couple, quickly taken this morning:) One waiting to be potted up in the porch and the other one placed on the back terrace where there is morning sun and then shade the rest of the day.

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21 minutes ago, petiole10 said:

Here are a couple, quickly taken this morning:) 

Great looking palms there and an attractive garden setting too!  You found some nice ones.  They are a little larger than my potted  belmos and it’s good to see what mine hopefully will develop into. 

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Looking through the classic horticulture  book Exotica, Vol 2, by Alfred Byrd Graf, I came across this side by side Howea photo.  Howea forsteriana on left and H. belmroreana on right.  Old black and white style but sometimes the plain silhouette provides a better graphic comparison.
 

The 2nd photo is H. belmoreana alone; typical of a very large potted size with distinctive curved fronds. Can’t wait until mine approach this size; but on the other hand, they will have outgrown their interior  space.

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H. belmoreana below:

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That is an interesting final photo Piping.  I wonder which nursery in NJ  (in Rutherford according to the photo) was growing such a nice sized Howea belmoreana in 1900.

So many of our NJ nurseries are have closed to make space for more and more ugly townhouses and garages.

Thanks for posting.

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49 minutes ago, oasis371 said:

That is an interesting final photo Piping.  I wonder which nursery in NJ  (in Rutherford according to the photo) was growing such a nice sized Howea belmoreana in 1900.

Ah yeh, that occurred to me that as the OP you’re from NJ and the nursery caption is a NJ nursery.   I believe it was Exotic Nurseries in Rutherford, NJ and the author of the these substantial horticultural reference books was affiliated with the nursery and maybe a nearby university.  I’ll verify and let you know.   Is there a legacy agricultural/ horticultural university nearby Rutherford? Interesting, It used to be that these books were available only in university libraries, now available used from am’zn.  Finally got one volume after wanting for 30 years.

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