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Holy Jubaea! It’s alive!

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TonyDFW

Here is was 2 weeks ago 

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Collectorpalms

Depressed about the California Fan Palms in DFW... I haven’t given up completely on them there. But like you said, by now they would have some growth. I compared to what El Paso had in 2011, and by end of April there were leaves on the surviving washingtonia.

I was a little warmer than Dallas this freeze, but not much. I have a few growing 4 of 8 I think, and they are not nearly the giants as the ones in Dallas due to my soil they don’t get as massive girth on their trunks. 

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NBTX11
1 hour ago, Collectorpalms said:

Depressed about the California Fan Palms in DFW... I haven’t given up completely on them there. But like you said, by now they would have some growth. I compared to what El Paso had in 2011, and by end of April there were leaves on the surviving washingtonia.

I was a little warmer than Dallas this freeze, but not much. I have a few growing 4 of 8 I think, and they are not nearly the giants as the ones in Dallas due to my soil they don’t get as massive girth on their trunks. 

I'm 2 for 2 on Filifera and 0 for 2 on Robusta so far.  My Filifera has pushed many green fronds, and basically started pushing green immediately after freeze.

From what I have seen pretty much all Filifera are pushing healthy green at this point around here, other than an odd one here and there.   

In the 2010 and 2011 freezes my Robusta pushed fronds fast also...not this time.  I need to see movement fast.

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oliver
21 hours ago, MesquiteRetreat said:

None of our Royals are pushing green...still have my fingers crossed, though.

I have 5 big Royals at my house and 4 at the office, all of which are now on their 2nd green leaf, however not everyone in Brownsville is as lucky. My next door neighbor at my house has a trio of large, fruiting ones, that all look dead to me. 100ft away from mine, roughly equal north exposure.

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oliver

Pseudophoenix vinifera is a pleasant surprise 

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Austinpalm
10 minutes ago, oliver said:

I have 5 big Royals at my house and 4 at the office, all of which are now on their 2nd green leaf, however not everyone in Brownsville is as lucky. My next door neighbor at my house has a trio of large, fruiting ones, that all look dead to me. 100ft away from mine, roughly equal north exposure.

Sounds like maybe he was not treating them as kindly as you were treating yours.

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AnTonY

I'll check back this site later on through summer and fall. For now, hoping for a great recovery for all the cultivations! Hopefully, people aren't too premature with their decisions to take things down.

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Xenon

Update from Katy Area (~25 miles west of Houston)

Lots of movement on filibusta hybrids including some very "robusta dominant" looking palms 

Some "robusta" are moving. Many are too tall to properly assess 

Most Livistona chinensis are pushing green, some already have a green leaf or two

All CIDP are pushing green. Most dactyfilera are also pushing green

Chamaerops humilis just have mostly cosmetic damage. Many did not completely defoliate and most look like they will survive

7/8 of these dactyfilera are pushing green, most of them are flowering too 

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This looks like "robusta" to my eyes. The green is more apparent in person

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Collectorpalms
9 hours ago, Xenon said:

Update from Katy Area (~25 miles west of Houston)

Lots of movement on filibusta hybrids including some very "robusta dominant" looking palms 

Some "robusta" are moving. Many are too tall to properly assess 

Most Livistona chinensis are pushing green, some already have a green leaf or two

All CIDP are pushing green. Most dactyfilera are also pushing green

Chamaerops humilis just have mostly cosmetic damage. Many did not completely defoliate and most look like they will survive

7/8 of these dactyfilera are pushing green, most of them are flowering too 

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This looks like "robusta" to my eyes. The green is more apparent in person

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What percentage of Washingtonia Robustas that height are showing green So far? Those than are not in any special microclimate in Houston areas that were around 14*F?

I had 14/15F in 2018 and all my various Washintonia that defoliated had started to come back pretty quickly by now. Filibusta were not even defoliated the difference is that Houston had 1 day of a high of only 25F.  So despite, near the same low temperatures this event was harder on Robusta due to the low high of only 25F. This similarly took out a lot of Robustas in Austin northward in 2018. It wasn’t the low, it was the low daytime high.

This time, I am not seeing any growth on any of mine (5F low but only 20F high!!) .... except 6 Filifera. Over a dozen Washintonia hybrids look like they are in trouble.

 

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Collectorpalms

Two Washingtonia sp. In College Station... After 5F.
These guys always looked like Robusta, but I have suspected they were Filifera because of slow growth and never really burning before. They are at the Whataburger on Dominique, in College Station. The base of their trunks are no thicker than a normal Robusta. but looking closely I think the sprinkler caused at fungus issue.

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strongbad635
2 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

What percentage of Washingtonia Robustas that height are showing green So far? Those than are not in any special microclimate in Houston areas that were around 14*F?

I had 14/15F in 2018 and all my various Washintonia that defoliated had started to come back pretty quickly by now. Filibusta were not even defoliated the difference is that Houston had 1 day of a high of only 25F.  So despite, near the same low temperatures this event was harder on Robusta due to the low high of only 25F. This similarly took out a lot of Robustas in Austin northward in 2018. It wasn’t the low, it was the low daytime high.

This time, I am not seeing any growth on any of mine (5F low but only 20F high!!) .... except 6 Filifera. Over a dozen Washintonia hybrids look like they are in trouble.

 

Based on my observations driving all over Houston, especially the west side, about 85% of robustas over 20 ft are showing new growth, some are already showing new emerging fronds.  About 75-80% of the dactyliferas in the Memorial City (where they were planted in abundance) are showing new growth, especially visible in the Bunker Hill power center where landscapers just trimmed them all yesterday.  The two CIDP in front the Marq-E theater at I-10 and I-610 are showing new growth as well.  I've seen 1 or 2 queens showing growth, miraculously.

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Collectorpalms
5 minutes ago, strongbad635 said:

Based on my observations driving all over Houston, especially the west side, about 85% of robustas over 20 ft are showing new growth, some are already showing new emerging fronds.  About 75-80% of the dactyliferas in the Memorial City (where they were planted in abundance) are showing new growth, especially visible in the Bunker Hill power center where landscapers just trimmed them all yesterday.  The two CIDP in front the Marq-E theater at I-10 and I-610 are showing new growth as well.  I've seen 1 or 2 queens showing growth, miraculously.

Have you been outside of 99 or north of Spring? Those are areas that were less than 14F.

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Xenon
7 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

What percentage of Washingtonia Robustas that height are showing green So far? Those than are not in any special microclimate in Houston areas that were around 14*F?

I had 14/15F in 2018 and all my various Washintonia that defoliated had started to come back pretty quickly by now. Filibusta were not even defoliated the difference is that Houston had 1 day of a high of only 25F.  So despite, near the same low temperatures this event was harder on Robusta due to the low high of only 25F. This similarly took out a lot of Robustas in Austin northward in 2018. It wasn’t the low, it was the low daytime high.

This time, I am not seeing any growth on any of mine (5F low but only 20F high!!) .... except 6 Filifera. Over a dozen Washintonia hybrids look like they are in trouble.

 

That was just one I happened to bump into, but I would say a small percentage so far. Again, it's diffcult to tell because most are too tall. All of these observations are from near Katy, where it was colder at 12F.

There was no "special microclimate" 14F, most of Houston (BW8 area and south of I10) saw 14F. There was little/no difference downtown vs 10-15 miles east or west. I'm seeing reports of a lot more survival even just slightly closer to town, about 10 miles east of me on the fringe of BW8 which approximates the 13/14F line. 

 

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PricklyPearSATC

A few of these robustas are recovering.  Highway 90 Anheuser-Busch building.   (San Antonio) Some may have been taken down already.  Caught them while we were driving at 65 mph. 

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Xenon

More and more life is appearing! More robustas are pushing as it is really starting to warm up. Should be in the upper 80s all week so I hope to see even more in the next few weeks. This is all in far west Houston, around I-10 and SH 99.

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Xenon

Every single one of these dactyfilera are pushing green

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Collectorpalms

They will do ok until a soft neck on the trunk causes one to fall in the drive through lane. Lol aka taco Cabana College station 2018 after 15F.

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oliver

Acrocomia

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Fusca
30 minutes ago, oliver said:

Acrocomia

Is that Acrocomia totai?

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Aculeata/mexicana

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PricklyPearSATC

It's alive.  Not a palm.  Rising from the dead
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Fusca
3 hours ago, PricklyPearSATC said:

It's alive.  Not a palm.  Rising from the dead
Cycas revoluta

Nice to see Linda!  I noticed a neighbor's starting to flush as well.  Mine only flushed twice last year so not sure when I'll see my recovery.  Maybe the coffee grounds and Palmgain I gave it will help it along.

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strongbad635
On 4/3/2021 at 7:57 AM, Collectorpalms said:

Have you been outside of 99 or north of Spring? Those are areas that were less than 14F.

LOL no.  I'm a city dweller who lives inside 610, I virtually never have any reason to venture outside the Beltway, so 99 is just so far out, I ever have to go there.  I see it whizzing by when I have to drive to Dallas.

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Collectorpalms
14 hours ago, PricklyPearSATC said:

It's alive.  Not a palm.  Rising from the dead
Cycas revoluta

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What was your low temperature? I checked mine this morning. None flushing yet. I started hitting them with some liquid fertilizer today. 

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PricklyPearSATC
2 hours ago, Collectorpalms said:

What was your low temperature? I checked mine this morning. None flushing yet. I started hitting them with some liquid fertilizer today. 

9 degrees.  I have 4 more large ones that are not flushing yet.  This one has the most sun exposure.

The erect brown fuzz (don't know what it's called), indicates that the plant is alive.

I think we were only a few degrees warmer than College Station, but I think ice was the bigger issue Central Texas. 

We had a tiny amount of freezing fog/drizzle on Feb 14th.  (Enough to damage tender foliage like plumbago), but the ice was not heavy enough to damage palms

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Collectorpalms

A row of Canaries in Bryan, tx. No life in any.

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Collectorpalms

These were planted at the old now defunct Texas Am Horticulture Gardens

Brahea Morrei
Didn’t see any signs of life. Several stems.

 

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Collectorpalms

Nanno

Alive 

 

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Collectorpalms

Silver Mediterranean- Alive

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Collectorpalms

Various unnamed Sabals 

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Collectorpalms

Two old Sabals that survived the 80s. And some palms in Bryan. 

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Reyes Vargas

Hello guys I just inspected my Phoniex palms for the first time since the cold blast and I saw all of them were pushing new green fronds.  My question is should I cut all the dead fronds so that the sun hits the new green fronds or just leave them?  Thanks.

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Collectorpalms

Yes, cut them! More sun the more carbohydrates for the palms. What temperature did you record? I’d like to buy some seed one day. They are very pretty.

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Reyes Vargas
11 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

Yes, cut them! More sun the more carbohydrates for the palms. What temperature did you record? I’d like to buy some seed one day. They are very pretty.

22° was the lowest we saw give or take a degree.  I have some seeds that I collected from them Just prior to the freeze but looks like some kinda bug ate them.  There is what looks like saw dust at the bottom of the container they are in.  There could be a few that I can swnd you if you want.  I also have some that I grew from seed I can send you a couple.  They are not big.

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I’d do the float test on the seeds and see if they fall, then they should be good. I am trying to replace my 20 year old plus collection of palms. I normally rarely go below 25, but this was 5. Whew! I had several dates, so far only my CIDP lived. I’d like a couple seedlings to replace some date species that do not come back. Yours are exactly what I am looking for, even if they are hybrids.!

thanks,

Ryan

 

 

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Reyes Vargas
50 minutes ago, Collectorpalms said:

I’d do the float test on the seeds and see if they fall, then they should be good. I am trying to replace my 20 year old plus collection of palms. I normally rarely go below 25, but this was 5. Whew! I had several dates, so far only my CIDP lived. I’d like a couple seedlings to replace some date species that do not come back. Yours are exactly what I am looking for, even if they are hybrids.!

thanks,

Ryan

 

 

Shoot me a PM with your address and will send you a couple.

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Fusca
2 hours ago, Reyes Vargas said:

I just inspected my Phoniex palms for the first time since the cold blast and I saw all of them were pushing new green fronds. 

Nice Reyes - I was hoping that these would pull through for you!

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strongbad635
On 4/6/2021 at 11:48 AM, Collectorpalms said:

A row of Canaries in Bryan, tx. No life in any.

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That's so sad.  Virtually every CIDP in my area of Houston is showing new growth.  Even the ones that haven't been pruned at all.

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Xenon

Here's a very rough and unscientific map of what I observed along the 290, I-10, and 610 corridors in Houston driving at 70-80 mph.

I did my best to mostly look at extremely thin trunk as pure as possible robusta with trunk height >20 feet. This map also excludes stunted/abandoned/wild and overtrimmed robusta popular at car dealerships and abandoned parking lots particularly along I-10 and focuses more on residential and slightly more maintained commercial spaces. Kill rate among robusta in already poor health was much higher. 

Death rate near town along I-10 and I-45 interchanges is surprisingly low, pretty much every robusta visible from the freeway had signs of life.

A mass planting of tall robusta on the south side of an apartment complex on I-10 just west of BW 8 had near 100% survivial. All/nearly all of the Phoenix dactyfilera mass planted along this section of town are pushing green. 

Most of the Washingtonia (mostly robusta and robusta dominant hybrids) lining I-45 as it heads towards 610 are pushing green. These palms fend for themselves and looked like they've never/rarely been trimmed let alone irrigated or fertilized.  None of the Livistona decora mixed in are showing any signs of life. The Butia are of course fine and more or less undamaged. 

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