Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 I have a spot where I'd like to plant a couple palms but I've observed that during heavy rain (not uncommon) these spots will have standing water for a few hours. I recall seeing posts of a palm species that does fine in such conditions but do not recall the species. So my question, what palms suitable for such wet sites should I consider here in Puna? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben in Norcal 2,115 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 All Archontophoenix love this environment. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Great, thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmyt 524 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Cyrtostachys renda comes to mind. Correct me if I am incorrect. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John hovancsek 951 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Maritia flexulosa if you want a nice big palm 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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colin Peters 1,450 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Metroxylon sp's 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, John hovancsek said: Maritia flexulosa My that is a big lad! To expose the lava, I'm peeling off the root mass covering a nicely shaped lava flow/shelf that faces another one coming from the opposite direction. There is a low area in between them and it is a pond today. There are a few spots adjacent to or in these flows where I could plant a palm and nice palms growing out of a lava shelf seems like it would be attractive. The best planting sites are under water right now. It looks like some pockets for bromeliads on the flows and I can plant kalo or other wet tolerant plants in the pond though it is deep enough today I'm not sure about that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim in Los Altos 2,366 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 (edited) With your average temperatures there are tons of possiilities. If I lived where you do, I’d have a grove of Red Ceiling Wax palms (Cyrtostachys renda). Edited November 22, 2020 by Jim in Los Altos 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LivistonaFan 144 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim in Los Altos said: Red Ceiling Wax palms (Cyrtostachys renda). I'd probably do the same Another species that wouldn't mind these conditions (because it is partly sharing its habitat with Nypa fruticans) is Oncosperma tigillarium (photo from palmpedia): 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quaman58 1,969 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 Ravenea musicalis, ha ha. Although I do remember Jeff at Floribunda doing his best to keep one alive.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Jim in Los Altos said: Cyrtostachys renda I am planning on getting some of these and their contrast with the lava would be outstanding, thus far all the ones I've seen are quite pricey save for the wee sizes, I am hoping to find a good source of larger pots that are not quite so pricey. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John hovancsek 951 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Brad52 said: I am planning on getting some of these and their contrast with the lava would be outstanding, thus far all the ones I've seen are quite pricey save for the wee sizes, I am hoping to find a good source of larger pots that are not quite so pricey. Walmart has small ones for 15$ I just got a few because of the price Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frond-friend42 216 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 Nypa fruticans. An aquatic species. Probably not pretty enough. What about Ravenea rivularis? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fusca 1,712 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 Licuala paludosa is another swamp dweller. (Pic borrowed from Palmpedia). 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 These are all great suggestions, the general area is large enough to have a mix of these different forms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyrone 1,996 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 All Roystonea and many Livistona. Euterpe oleracea as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hbernstein 186 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 Ravenea rivularis love it wet and look great when happy. A lovely smaller clustering species is Mauritiella armata. Various Raphia species are big and impressive and like it wet. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlyn 1,184 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 For smaller ones, I know Licuala Grandis, Peltata and Peltata v. Sumawongii like it swampy. My local FL grower MB Palms grows his in pots with no bottom holes. He buys (or makes) pots with holes a couple of inches up the sides, so the bottom of the pot is always soggy. I think (but am not sure) that most Licuala like growing in swamps. Fairchild has a cluster of Nypa Fruticans growing in the lake, I'd love to grow that one here. But, alas, it takes severe damage below about 33F and 2 died at Leu Gardens in the 29F 2009 freeze. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 23, 2020 I think it's great that many of the species on my wish list are popping up here as tolerating or thriving in wet soils. Yesterday I had a small pond about 20" deep in the area and 3 hours later it had drained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xenon 1,388 Report post Posted November 24, 2020 Cyrtostachys elegans Carpoxylon Hydriastele costata Normanbya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abdalav 104 Report post Posted November 24, 2020 Euterpe oleracea Copernicia prunifera Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kim 3,454 Report post Posted November 24, 2020 If you want something smaller to go along with your other choices, Hydriastele rheophytica is a very slender clustering palm with an elegant look. In habitat it grows along riverbanks, thus the name rheophytica. I would guess it will respond well to being flooded now and again. However if your chosen spot is unremitting full sun, maybe not such a perfect choice? Mine get some degree of shade off and on during the day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 24, 2020 Very nice looking the Hydriastele rheophytica, the shade I have is what will be created by other plants not yet in ground. I hope to visit a nursery this week where I might be able to obtain a couple of larger palms that might throw some shade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John hovancsek 951 Report post Posted November 25, 2020 Chelyocarpus chuco is a nice clustering palm that are found on the banks of rivers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DoomsDave 8,689 Report post Posted November 25, 2020 Licuala ramsayi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GottmitAlex 2,945 Report post Posted November 25, 2020 Cocos nucifera. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NOT A TA 1,020 Report post Posted November 25, 2020 Phoenix roebelenii and Chamaedorea cataractarum will also take flooded conditions regularly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Merlyn 1,184 Report post Posted November 27, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 8:33 PM, abdalav said: Copernicia prunifera Can Copernicia Prunifera take tons of water and swampy soil? I planted my small seedlings in a drier, full sun and sandy area in my lot, since the Palmpedia site said they originated in dry savannah areas. If they are happier with more water then I should probably adjust my drippers on the triple in the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad52 32 Report post Posted November 29, 2020 Took this list palm shopping today but only managed to obtain the Maritia flexulosa for the wet area. Still managed to get 11 more species though for other sites, thanks to a visit to the Bill Austin nursery - thanks Bill for the hospitality, conversation, tour and great plants! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abdalav 104 Report post Posted November 29, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 10:44 PM, Merlyn2220 said: Can Copernicia Prunifera take tons of water and swampy soil? I planted my small seedlings in a drier, full sun and sandy area in my lot, since the Palmpedia site said they originated in dry savannah areas. If they are happier with more water then I should probably adjust my drippers on the triple in the ground. They live in marshes and river banks located in a very dry habitat called caatinga. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites