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Aaron in Fountain Valley

I am new to growing palms. What seems to be the issue? Thanks.

 

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Frond-friend42

Looks wet. Too much water?

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John hovancsek

If it is newly planted give it time it will grow out of that. It looks like sun and stress 

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joe_OC

Hi Aaron.  Welcome to PT.  Where did you get the palm from?  How long has it been planted?  Could be just an acclimating process it is going through.  If it was grown in filtered sun/shade and you have it planted in full sun, the fronds will burn like your palm is showing.   This could take one to several growing seasons to adjust.

If it came from Hawaii or Florida, it will definitely have to acclimate.  Climate is very different and the palm just needs time to adjust.  

Just be patient.  Flamethrowers do very well in our climate.  Also, if it’s a recent planting, do not be quick to fertilize.  Again, the palm just needs to acclimate.

 

Good luck!

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Aaron in Fountain Valley

I just watered before taking the picture. However, you might be right. I have been watering about 3 times a week (on the same schedule as my king palms). Maybe nice deep waterings 3 times a week is too much. The spot gets almost full day sun (minus a few hours of morning sun).

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Aaron in Fountain Valley

Thanks Joe. Bought the palm from Jungle Music. I left it in the pot for 3 weeks and tried to add more sun slowly. It’s been in the ground for about a month.

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joe_OC
5 minutes ago, Aaron in Fountain Valley said:

I just watered before taking the picture. However, you might be right. I have been watering about 3 times a week (on the same schedule as my king palms). Maybe nice deep waterings 3 times a week is too much. The spot gets almost full day sun (minus a few hours of morning sun).

You are not overwatering.  In fact, if it’s in full sun, you might want to up the watering. It’s been hot lately.  JM grows their palm in their shade house.  Fronds are tender and will burn.  

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sonoranfans

I would put shade net over it for the rest of the summer/fall.  These palms don't like bright/hot inland sun at a small size.  Nothing wrong with putting a few sticks and a shade net over it so it can adapt to the sun more slowly.  Its roots will be growing it needs to do that first, and hot direct sun wont help there.

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DoomsDave

@Aaron in Fountain Valley welcome!

@joe_OC beat me to it, so I'll concur vigorously, and note that I've got about 25 Chambeys in the ground.

Here's a picture of one them, in full red "papal" glory, right in front of my house. I'm in La Habra, about 10 miles from you, more or less, and a lot further inland and a lot hotter. If you like, you're welcome to take a tour and see the possibilities. Shoot me a PM (private message) and we can set it up. And, even if not, nice to meet you and we'll be here to help you with what's going to be a glorious garden.

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msporty

Mine looked the same way when I put them in the ground in a more exposed area. New leaves will be tougher and the plant will be more vigorous once it's acclimated.

 

With this heat wave, I've been giving all my New Cal palms a shower in the mid afternoon. I feel like it's hard to overwater these palms in the summertime, but you can always stick your finger in the ground before watering and get a sense of the moisture content. I like your rock design, but most palms love a layer of mulch to add nutrients, buffer temperature, and prevent evaporation from the soil.

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It’s not as beautiful as DoomsDave’s, but I just wanted you to see the evolutions of leaves once out in a sunny spot. There is one of the original Kentucky-fried leaves seen in the bottom of the image. Each subsequent leaf has been larger and healthier. I’m sure I could have put it under shade cloth for a year or two and dragged out the acclimation process over a longer period, but I’d rather just scald a few leaves and let it grow out of it. 
 

There is Palmtalk thread from someone not far from you who lined his (or her) front walkway with Chambeyronia and they took off like gangbusters. It was very inspirational... worth a look:
 

https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/22533-chambeyronia-macrocarpa-experiment-1/

 

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DoomsDave

Chambeys are worth the trouble to keep happy, which really isn't that much.

I've got pictures of when I've had like 8 or 9 all throw red leaves at once, who needs fireworks?

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Jim in Los Altos

I have quite a few of them in my Northern CA garden. Full all day sun is their enemy particlarly when young and small so mine are planted in areas of the garden that don’t get hot afternoon sun. They’re more tolerant once they have some mature trunk. I water mine like crazy too. They like wet soil so long as it’s not heavy clay which they don’t like anyway. I’d give yours some sun protection since it was most assuredly grown in a shade house prior to you purchasing it. 

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Aaron in Fountain Valley

This has been great advice. I’ll keep up the watering, maybe add some shade, be patient, and clear out the rocks around the base. I love to see the success pictures you all have shared. An incredible tree when it is well grown!

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Jim in Los Altos
37 minutes ago, Aaron in Fountain Valley said:

This has been great advice. I’ll keep up the watering, maybe add some shade, be patient, and clear out the rocks around the base. I love to see the success pictures you all have shared. An incredible tree when it is well grown!

You may already know it but Chambeyronia are slow growers especially when very young like yours. Most of us have to be satisfied with two new leaves per year, sometimes less! It’s why some of us have several of them so we can enjoy the new red leaves more often. 

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Palms Brisbane
On 8/18/2020 at 1:27 AM, Aaron in Fountain Valley said:

I am new to growing palms. What seems to be the issue? Thanks.

 

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Mine is fairly similar been planted for less than 6 months just opened first leaf today.

Assuming it will just get better in time.

Kind of ignored it since planting.

 

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Merlyn2220
On 8/17/2020 at 12:12 PM, joe_OC said:

You are not overwatering.  In fact, if it’s in full sun, you might want to up the watering. It’s been hot lately.  JM grows their palm in their shade house.  Fronds are tender and will burn.  

^THIS!!!  I have several flamethrowers here in swampy central Floriduh, and they definitely prefer partial shade and a LOT of water.  My largest is only about 5 feet tall overall but has put out 3 fronds so far this year.  It was originally out front under oak tree shade, but when that oak died it went to full sun overnight.  It burned about as bad as the OP's palm, and I decided to transplant it rather than let it suffer out there.  I planted it last fall with a PM shade from a pygmy date palm, and it seems pretty happy there.  Full sun seems tough on these when they are young.

Here's a photo of one of my others, it got burned in our May heatwave so I transplanted a Foxtail double to give it some PM shade.  The green leaves are the two new ones since May, and it's working on a third.  The yellow leaf is pre-May and the other pre-May leaves just burned to a crisp.  This photo is looking straight West, so you can see the Foxtail gives it some shade from around noon-3pm.

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