bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 MattyB, in his recent "My Garden, Fall 2006" thread had a couple of photos showing some of his seedlings (in his greenhouse) and that gave me the idea for a specific thread for photos of seedlings. We all like photos of big and impressive palms, and big and colorful palms, but it's also helpful and interesting to know what palms look like when they're just at the beginning stages of life. So, feel free to add whatever seedling pics you have! I'm starting out with half a dozen, or so, of mine. Here's Calyptrocalyx pachystachys. After I took this photo I separated these seedlings and put them in individual 1G pots. There were 34 of them. And that's not counting the dead one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Marojejya darianii Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Iguanura palmuncula Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Brassiophoenix schumannii. Al (in Kona) - these are the seeds you sent me. Germinated just fine, but as you can see, they are browntipping just a bit. I've had difficulties growing Brassiophoenix in the past. Not sure why. Any ideas? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Hydriastele cylindrocarpa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Actinorhytis calapparia. These are fairly impressive seedlings. This one is 16 inches tall (40 cm) and as can be seen, is just begjnning to open up the first leaf. Roots are very vigorous. I put these seedlings directly in a 2G pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kom Thai Palm 43 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 I agree with Bo, not big, but interesting. My Pinanga sp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kom Thai Palm 43 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 and Nypa fruticans seedlings, only few palm that float and germinate in water. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Wow... You both Bo Göran and Komkrit are going to make me sleep late tonight. I couldn't wait till morning light for taking the pictures and sorry for the flash. My Nypa is still in ultra moist old cocopeat. I'm still keeping it indoor in no air conditioner, with an occasional controlled breeze from the windows. Right now here 24°C. Most of these seedlings are having some 1 hour of early morning sun direct from glass or filtered light, but high brightness throughout the day. Should I submerge my Nypa at this stage? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Marojejya darianii, recently potted individually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Komkrit, wow, fascinating with the submerged Nypa! It looks very healthy and robust. Gileno, I have absolutely no experience with Nypa, but based on Komkrit's seedling, it would seem that you can certainly give yours more water. Is that the only one you have? Bo-Göran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Sorry for the bad Iguanuras picture. What type of soil mix do you use Bo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Yes Bo. That's my only Nypa seedling, from a seed given by a friend in Recife. Caryota urens, Euterpe precatoria, Hydriastele pinangoides, Zamia picta...and Arenga pinata just sprouting (right corner above). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Metroxylon warburgii Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Hyophorbe lagenicaulis (big seedling, ready to go outside). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Medemia argun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Bunch of things: Mauritia, Pseudophoenix, Brahea clara, Nannorrhops, Medemia, Livistona benthamii, Zamia loddigesii, Dioon edule...etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Cyrtostachys renda and Chambeyronia macrocarpa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cfkingfish 214 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Carpoxylon: Veillonia alba: Pinanga "Blue Seed": Nypa: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Interesting to see the different approaches to Nypa germination! And fascianting to see all these different seedlings (even though some are probably beyond the seedling stage... ) Gileno, I'm using Sunshine Germinating Mix #3. It's a Canadian product, sold here in the USA. Maybe in Brazil as well? Mix #3 contains: 70-80% Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Vermiculite, Dolomitic Limestone and Gypsum. I use this for ALL seeds that I germinate in closed containers (in the house). Some palms that I know are very easy germinators (Areca vestiaria, Chambeyronia, Dypsis lastelliana to name a few) I simply germinate in open trays in the shadehouse, and I use actual soil in those trays. Those trays are open so it rains directly on them, and it drains right thru. BTW, what are your plants for the Medemia? Christian, Great looking Carpoxylons! Bo-Göran One more photo for tonight; tiny Cyrtostachys renda seedlings. It'll probably be a while before any of them shows red! I'll try to get some photos of Dypsis seedlings tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,350 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Friends it is very nice & pleasing to see lots of palm seedlings. But i have problem doing this.i import lots of seeds for my plam collection.the problem that i face is the the young ones die after a week or so.some sites call it_Damping-Off ? I use the container method as advocated by Bo-Goran,Kathy. And also the Baggie method.in both the method the plants do not survive more than a 2 weeks why ? the medium i use is coconut coir crushed mulch or washed river sand.and treat the medium with_Indofil Broadbased fungicide.and in india we do not have accesses to peat moss, perelite,etc... till now only CDIP,Bismarkia,Brehea Armeta,washy Filifera have surivied the above germination method.and in few cases just placing the seed in pot with mild clay soil has also sprouted.but only the above said varities.why is this happening. Kindly help & help me grow more palms for my garden. Love, Kris(India). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter John 214 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Here's a pot of Ptychosperma elegans (solitaire) seedlings I won at our last palm society meeting raffle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bgl 2,746 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Kris, Could you be more specific, please? Exactly at what point do the seedlings die? I assume they germinate successfully? Then what? If you keep them in a plastic container, do they die before you remove the cover permanently? Or after? I wonder if your medium is too wet, and this could cause a problem. I have found that if you're using a container without drainage (which I do), the medium needs to be moist but not soaking wet. If this is the case, you have a completely closed system with plenty of humidity. Once the seeds germinate, and the seedlings are tall enough to push against the cover, remove it. At this point, you need to pay more attention to the moisture level in the medium because it WILL dry out, and you want to keep the seedlings there for a while (until they are large enough to be safely moved to individual pots). Bo-Göran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neofolis 10 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 A few Chams. First, costaricana microspadix radicalis (standard form) radicalis (trunking form) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neofolis 10 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Dypsis albofarinosa Dypsis heteromorpha Heterospathe minor Ptychosperma macarthurii Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neofolis 10 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Last for now, Phoenix dactylifera I have a couple of other things with first leaf just emerging and hopefully several more species about to germinate, so more pictures may follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trópico 72 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Excellent topic! Here are some of my seedlings taken one year ago. As soon as I go back home I'll definitely post more. 1. Trachy nanus 2. Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana (RIPH) 3. Cham cat 4. Spindle (Hyophorbe vershaffeltii) 5. Dypsis lanceolata 6. Dypsis lastelliana (I have to disagree Bo, these were a pain in the @$$ to germinate for me, maybe the seed needs to be fresh. Only one survivor and is NOT doing well). 7. Cyrtostachys renda (Today is pushing a 3rd leaf, one year later). 8. Archontophoenix purpurea 9. Livistona decipiens 10. Dypsis scottiana (RIPH) 11. Bizmarckia nobilis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trópico 72 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 A more updated C. renda pic, a year ago at least. Note the little stick to the left used to help measure growth of this slooow seedling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exotic Life 107 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Very nice to see al that diffrent palm species in seedling stage. When i come home i can show you some pics from my seedlings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rthink 29 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Here is my Pigafetta elata, 3 months old from seeds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,350 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Dear Folks Some of my babies for display ! & thanks Bo,but need time to get down to fault identification. Love, Kris. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,350 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Busy Baby ! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 1,350 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Can Can ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian 79 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Bo, I was fortunate to have also recieved some Brassiophoenix schumannii from Al and they also have brown tips. I thought it was because of my local growing conditions but now I'm wondering if its a PH problem. Hopefully Al can give us his secrete to success. Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 (Brian @ Oct. 31 2006,14:50)QUOTEBo, I was fortunate to have also recieved some Brassiophoenix schumannii from Al Moi aussi...thanks Al... Mine are just sprouting in moist cocopeat and the first leaf hasn't opened yet. They seem to be very slow at this stage... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattyB 2,007 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 Ptychosperma caryotoides w/ D. psammophila on left and Clingostigma savoryanum in back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gileno Machado 199 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 (bgl @ Oct. 31 2006,01:37)QUOTEGileno, I'm using Sunshine Germinating Mix #3. It's a Canadian product, sold here in the USA. Maybe in Brazil as well? Mix #3 contains: 70-80% Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Vermiculite, Dolomitic Limestone and Gypsum. I use this for ALL seeds that I germinate in closed containers (in the house). Some palms that I know are very easy germinators (Areca vestiaria, Chambeyronia, Dypsis lastelliana to name a few) I simply germinate in open trays in the shadehouse, and I use actual soil in those trays. Those trays are open so it rains directly on them, and it drains right thru. BTW, what are your plants for the Medemia? Bo, thanks for the reply. I don't think we have this type of germination mix available in Recife yet unfortunetly. I've been experimenting several media for different seeds and also (my big problem) different types of mix of soil for the first transplant procedure. Some species are rather "tricky" with soil requirements and some others need different watering and exposition schedules. The problem is that I don't control the pH either so it's been more a matter of trying and learning with many options trying to increase the success rate. Your method of using the closed plastic containers is actually one of my favorites and probably the best one for many species. I've been using pure vermiculite lately, slightly moist with some good success, but the next step (adapting the seedlings to a soil type medium) sometimes is painful and disappointing. About the Medemia...I like to play with challenging species too. My climate will probably be too humid in the winter for growing this species but I thought it would be nice to try. Anyway it was a gift (2 seeds) from a local collector (Acácio), who has has managed to sprout a few of them too. PS: You are lucky. The Dypsis lastelliana seeds I've tried here are a no-go My Licuala peltata var sumawongii Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattyB 2,007 Report post Posted October 31, 2006 (Gileno Machado @ Oct. 30 2006,19:21)QUOTEYes Bo. That's my only Nypa seedling, from a seed given by a friend in Recife. Caryota urens, Euterpe precatoria, Hydriastele pinangoides, Zamia picta...and Arenga pinata just sprouting (right corner above). That's it! I'm climbing through my high speed internet connection and grabing that E. precatoria right now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rthink 29 Report post Posted November 1, 2006 Loxococcus rupicola seedling wth pink new leave 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trópico 72 Report post Posted November 1, 2006 Nice rthink! Here are some more of mine: Dypsis lanceolata Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
