A nursery in Tenerife visited today - Help to ID

[Carlo Morici]

This morning I visited a Nursery in Northern Tenerife. Many tags were gone, please help.

Carlo

This does not need ID and can be shocking:

a distichous Chamaedorea elegans

Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.1

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.1

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.2

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.2

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.3

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.4

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.4

Palm N.5 Aiphanes...?

[Carlo Morici]

Rhopaloblaste elegans

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.6 Butia... ? floppy fine segments

[Carlo Morici]

Sun-baked Hedyscepe canterburyana

Old Papaya Tree

[Gaston in Argentina]

(Carlo Morici @ Nov. 13 2007,16:16)

QUOTE

Palm N.6 Butia... ? floppy fine segments

Hola Carlos.

Parece una Butia capitata, solo que crecida en sombra.-

Saludos. Gaston, Ar

[Daryl]

Hi Carlo, I'm only guessing here, but

#1 looks like a young Mauritia flexuosa

#2 looks like one of the ex vonitra Dypsis such as D.utilis, fibrosa or crinita.

#3 looks like an Areca sp

#4 looks like Areca guppyana

#5 looks like aiphanes aculeata

regards,

Daryl

[deezpalms]

(Carlo Morici @ Nov. 13 2007,13:12)

QUOTE

This morning I visited a Nursery in Northern Tenerife. Many tags were gone, please help.

Carlo

This does not need ID and can be shocking:

a distichous Chamaedorea elegans

Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana

wow!! That is SWEET!!!!!!

[www.dadluvsu.com]

That distichous C. elegans is so stunning!  Thanks for sharing that photo! :cool:

[RadPalms]

I don't know what it is but I like it.....

Curt

[cfkingfish]

That thing that looks like Mauritia I believe is actually Borassodendron. Mauritia has finer leaflets. The first Arecoid looks like A. macrocalyx, the second I dont know, could be A. guppyana as mentioned.

[Randy]

Went to Lanzarote once, which looks to be a lot more "thirsty" than Tenerife!

[Carlo Morici]

Dear friends, thank you for comments.

First, I should have said before that most unnamed palms are from a batch of seeds purchased a few years ago from Rare Palm Seeds.

Palm N.1

Please see it has a heel. I really do not think it is a Mauritia flexuosa as I am familiar with Mauritia seedlings. I feel I have seen this before, but I still don't know what it can be. I know little about Borassodendron, but this genus should show sharp margins in the petiole since an early age.

Palm N.2 .

Daryl says it "looks like one of the ex vonitra Dypsis such as D.utilis, fibrosa or crinita". I think we are on the right way. Any Dypsophilists around with more opinions?

Palm N.3

Daryl tries "Areca sp." and Christian KingFish "Areca macrocalyx". I am clueless. Why not a Pinanga?

[Carlo Morici]

Palm N.4

This looks clearly a species of Areca. Everybody suggests Areca guppyana. Any comments?

Palm N.5

Daryl said Aiphanes horrida, formerly called A.aculeata or A.cariotifolia. I have never grown any from seed but it looks much like it could be.

Palm N.6

Gaston thinks it is a Butia capitata grown in the shade. I don't know, but the nurserymen grew Butia capitata too and said that that lot was different because of the thinner, weeping leaflets.

[MattyB]

I thought 3 was a Pinanga caesia all the way.

[Gileno Machado]

I'd vote for Areca macrocalyx in #3 ( but it could be catechu too...).

That distichous Cham. is magnificent Carlo. Was is the only specimen available there? and you bought that one, didn't ya? ::

[Phil]

Carolo,

The Chamaedorea elegans is very interesting.  I think it's a hybrid.  First, it is distichous.  Second, the leaflets are wider than a normal elegans.  Third, one picture seems to show some glaucous or gray color.  And, finally it appears the grouping or arrangement of the leaflets is different than a normal elegans .   For this reason, I think it's an interesting hybrid.

Phil

[kylecawazafla]

That looks like an incredible nursery! I've never seen a distichous Chamaedorea before!

[TikiRick]

Carlo,

I think palm 1 is actually Sabal mauritiiformis. I have a smaller seedling and the "walking" habit away from the original root is a common charateristic.

[Carlo Morici]

(MattyB @ Nov. 14 2007,23:00)

QUOTE

I thought 3 was a Pinanga caesia all the way.

Why not?

Pinanga caesia (posted by MattyB in "paul & matt visit dean in hawaii")

Palm 3

And an older Pinanga caesia in the Jardín Botánico de La Orotava, here in TF.

[Carlo Morici]

About the lovely distichous Chamaedorea,

I m glad everybody enjoyed the picture. I had never seen such a thing.

I did not think of a hybrid. It looked quite "elegans", when close to other elegans. It had no glaucous or grey colour, it was the odd light in the picture. Segments were evenly spaced, not grouped as in C.klotschiana.

Of course the distichous palm was not for sale. They cherry-picked it among their fields of C.elegans and they wisely kept it. Hopefully they will try to grow seeds.

Carlo

[Carlo Morici]

I have been watching the pictures again. Palm #1 lacks a hastula! So, it should be a Chuniophoenix. C.hainanensis I suppose. Look:

Chuniophoenix hainanensis (picture posted recently by ron@springhammock in thread http://palmtalk.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboar...ST;f=1;t=8445;)

Palm 1

There is a picture here: http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/140726/ , which shows a C.hainanensis which is even more similar.

[Carlo Morici]

Today I went back to Lycaste nursery, with a local palm-friend and got the following:

2 Dypsis lanceolata

5 Licuala peltata sumawongii

1 Licuala X peltata x ?

2 Raphis multifida

1 Raphis subtilis

1 Raphis laoensis

1 Deckenia nobilis

4 Ptychosperma waitianum

2 Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana

2 Chuniophoenix hainanensis (Palm #1)

1 Pinanga sp. (Palm #3)

1 Areca cf. guppyana (Palm #4)

I was surprised: Nephrosperma vanhoutteanum were yellow, dying for cold, while Deckenia nobilis were growing and green. Is this normal?!

The two largest palms (Pinanga and Areca) are now in my dining room and they will stay here for a few months (until the winter humidity allows so). I promise picture of the Pinanga sp., I have cleaned the base and the real unreal colours appeared.

Carlo

[Carlo Morici]

Pictures of the new babies, just repotted this week end.

Rhapis multifida and Chuniophoenix hainanensis, palm # 1 of this thread

Licuala "spinosa X ... " ... unreadable tag, originally from RPS

Licuala peltata sumawongii, Ptychosperma waitianum

Ptychosperma waitianum, not transplanted

[Carlo Morici]

Dypsis lanceolata. This was a too-big plant in a small pot. The new one from a greenhouse by my outdoor seedling, to compare

Agave gypsophila is blooming

[Carlo Morici]

In the City, not transplanted

Pinanga sp. palm # 3 of this thread

Caesia?

Calyptrogyne ghiesbreghtiana

[Carlo Morici]

Plinio, the cat.

Areca guppyana, palm #4 of this thread

[Carlo Morici]

And this is the Deckenia nobilis, repotted and tied. It looked too happy to be from Seychelles. Will it make it outdoors with no protection?

Deckenia nobilis