Butia X Parajubaea coco

[Gallop]

BXP Seedling planted out about 2yrs ago.

Here it is today.

Edited August 18, 2010 by Gallop

[Plott Palm Trees]

wow, they look great- I love them- Great Job Bud

[Kailua_Krish]

How old is the JxS?

-Krishna

[Gallop]

I bought it from Patrick as a large seedling 1 1/2 yrs ago and it went straight in the ground.

[PalmGuyWC]

Paul,

It's nice to see your hybrids are thriving in Pensecola, and thanks for the photos. I have a Butia X Parajubaea that was planted about 4 years ago, and it's the fastest growing palm in my garden. It now has fronds that are about 10 feet long, and even with our much cooler than normal spring and summer in N. Calif. the new sphere is growing about 1.3" a night. Jason Dewees visited me last week and took some photos, and I hope he will post them on this thread soon.

I also have a Jubaea X Syagrus somewhat smaller than yours and so far it's been very slow growing. It appears they like the heat of N. Fla. I think all the hybrids speed up in growth once the base of the trunk starts to swell, more trunk, more roots.

Dick

[freakypalmguy]

Those are looking really nice Paul. I've seen Dick's large B X P in person, and it is an amazing tree. I'm a bit bummed as mine should have been around the same size as yours but it turned out to be one of the few that slip through and was pure Butia, so two years of growth lost and I'm back at the seedling stage with the replacement.

Matt

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Matt,

Do not despair, as the first "Butia X Parajubaeas" I got from Patrick turned out to be all pure Butias. It became apparent after a couple of years of growing them. Once your B X P gets it roots in the ground you will be amazed how fast it will grow, and you have a better climate for it than I do. You will be waking under it in 4 years.

Hey, get another SF layover and come visit. I'm having a PS meeting here on Oct 3rd.

Dick

[Kailua_Krish]

I bought it from Patrick as a large seedling 1 1/2 yrs ago and it went straight in the ground.

Wow! I just put mine in the ground as a large seedling in April so by next fall mine should be that big! Have you had to address any special issues with it?

-Krishna

[iamjv]

Paul, what kind of growing conditions do you have these hybrids in??? Soil type, sun exposure, etc., thanks! Jv

[freakypalmguy]

Hi Matt,

Do not despair, as the first "Butia X Parajubaeas" I got from Patrick turned out to be all pure Butias. It became apparent after a couple of years of growing them. Once your B X P gets it roots in the ground you will be amazed how fast it will grow, and you have a better climate for it than I do. You will be waking under it in 4 years.

Hey, get another SF layover and come visit. I'm having a PS meeting here on Oct 3rd.

Dick

Hi Dick,

Thanks for the words of encouragement, this is a tough hobby if you lack patience like me

I'm glad you mentioned the meeting, I'll put in a bid to be up there on the 3rd for sure, not sure if my seniority will get it, but I'll try.

Matt

[Gallop]

Jv, I'm growing these in full sun,. I live near the Gulf so my soil is almost pure sand. I give them lots of water w/ plenty of fert.

[PalmGuyWC]

Jv,

My Butia X Para coco is growing in rich loamy clay soil, with a mulch of horse shavings where it never gets to dry. It gets early morning sun and full sun until about 3 PM and then it's shaded by my neighbors olive tree for the rest of the day, but still bright shade. Keep in mind, I only have about 7 months of growing season where it can be like an oven in the warmer months and like a refrigerator in the cooler months.

A friend of mine purchased one last year, a 5 gal size, and planted it right away. He lives about 10 minutes away from me in Concord, and his gets full sun all day long. His is very compact and hard grown, but growing very fast. I expect his will be as large as mine in a couple of years.

Dick

[iamjv]

Thanks Paul and Dick for the growing info.... I've planted mine in some Texas clay, it's now establishing itself and hopefully I'll see some good growth next year. It sounds like they can take extra water and fertilizer, so I'll have to up the latter. Do you use anything special like palm food or ???? Thanks. Jv

[Alberto]

................Jason Dewees visited me last week and took some photos, and I hope he will post them on this thread soon...............

Dick,we are all waiting for un updated pic of your beauty!!!

[Nigel]

................Jason Dewees visited me last week and took some photos, and I hope he will post them on this thread soon...............

Dick,we are all waiting for un updated pic of your beauty!!!

The IPS members need to invest in a digital camera for Dick !!!

[PalmGuyWC]

I spoke to Jason and he's very busy, but said he would post the pictures as soon as time permits.

Dick

[PalmGuyWC]

Thanks Paul and Dick for the growing info.... I've planted mine in some Texas clay, it's now establishing itself and hopefully I'll see some good growth next year. It sounds like they can take extra water and fertilizer, so I'll have to up the latter. Do you use anything special like palm food or ???? Thanks. Jv

Jv,

I don't use any kind of special fertilizer. There have been years when I didn't use any fertilizer at all, and I couldn't tell any difference. My soil must be very rich since I have never noticed any nutritional deficiencies. I try to spread any balanced fertilizer with trace elements in the late spring and then again in the summer. Container plants are a different story, and I use a water soluble fertilizer about every two weeks and fish emulsion 2 or 3 times during the warmer months.

Dick

[Gallop]

JV, I use Osmocote w/ micros I buy it at the local nursery in 50lb bags, I get a better deal this way.

[maesy]

Hi Matt,

Do not despair, as the first "Butia X Parajubaeas" I got from Patrick turned out to be all pure Butias. It became apparent after a couple of years of growing them. Once your B X P gets it roots in the ground you will be amazed how fast it will grow, and you have a better climate for it than I do. You will be waking under it in 4 years.

Hey, get another SF layover and come visit. I'm having a PS meeting here on Oct 3rd.

Dick

Hi Dick,

Thanks for the words of encouragement, this is a tough hobby if you lack patience like me

I'm glad you mentioned the meeting, I'll put in a bid to be up there on the 3rd for sure, not sure if my seniority will get it, but I'll try.

Matt

Hi Matt,

Could you post a picture of your B x P that turned out tu be a true butia?

I would like to compare it with mine, since mine unfortunately could be a mistaken one too.

Marcel

[JasonD]

Our garden group paid a third-annual visit to Dick's garden in Walnut Creek a few weeks back. Boy, has his Butia X Parajubaea cocoides grown!

[Kailua_Krish]

Wow! Great looking palm!

-Krishna

[JasonD]

Here's Dick's Parajubaea torallyi, looking awesome. When I have time I'll do a travelogue / PRA-logue for the entire garden. Dick is a very cordial host and his garden shows the strong design that he developed from the beginning, as well as his excellent palm care. Many of the attendees are new to palms. Seeing the full potential and diversity of cold-hardy palms opened many people's eyes. After a month of chilly, foggy weather in San Francisco, 80F and a pool 45 minutes away in Walnut Creek felt like paradise to us coastal folks.

[JasonD]

I think this is Dick's newly planted Parajubaea sunkha, but I'm not certain -- Dick, can you confirm? It's between the big Trithrinax campestris in the front garden and the fence by the garage.

[Alberto]

It´s growing well!!!

I´m curious aboutht the girth of the future trunk!

[freakypalmguy]

Here it is six months ago, it looks like it has grown a bunch since then.

I love the webbing on this palm

[Nigel]

Why isnt it flowering..... it looks like it should be !

[iamjv]

Great pic updates... sure hope my BxP turns out just like Dick's BxP, it looks fabulous! Jv

[PalmGuyWC]

Jason, Matt,

Thanks for posting the photos, and Matt, you are right. It has grown quite a bit since you last saw it about 6 months ago. The base of the trunk is now about 2 feet in diameter and the matting or excela along the trunk is now forming above my head. I mark the emerging sphers for growth and it will soon be out of my reach without a ladder. The new sphers are growing about 1.5 inches in a 24 hr. period. Sept. and Oct. are my two best growing months, so I expect a lot of growth before cold weather sets in.

Nigel, I'm like a kid waiting on Santa Clause. I check the palm each morning hoping I'll see a bloom spike emerging, but nothing yet. I expect it will bloom within the next two years. I have no idea wether the bloom spike will emerge from one of the lower fronds or from the apex of the new fronds.

For those of you who are growing this beautiful palm, give them plenty of room. I estimate mine will have a crown width of over 20 feet, and the lower fronds tend to droop, so they take up a lot of room.

Mark Heath, it's been awhile since we saw a photo of yours. How about a photo and tell us how yours is doing.

Dick

[buccaneers37]

Jason, Matt,

Thanks for posting the photos, and Matt, you are right. It has grown quite a bit since you last saw it about 6 months ago. The base of the trunk is now about 2 feet in diameter and the matting or excela along the trunk is now forming above my head. I mark the emerging sphers for growth and it will soon be out of my reach without a ladder. The new sphers are growing about 1.5 inches in a 24 hr. period. Sept. and Oct. are my two best growing months, so I expect a lot of growth before cold weather sets in.

Nigel, I'm like a kid waiting on Santa Clause. I check the palm each morning hoping I'll see a bloom spike emerging, but nothing yet. I expect it will bloom within the next two years. I have no idea wether the bloom spike will emerge from one of the lower fronds or from the apex of the new fronds.

For those of you who are growing this beautiful palm, give them plenty of room. I estimate mine will have a crown width of over 20 feet, and the lower fronds tend to droop, so they take up a lot of room.

Mark Heath, it's been awhile since we saw a photo of yours. How about a photo and tell us how yours is doing.

Dick

Mark's is doing great. I saw it on Sunday.

Matt, I love the webbing too. Your palm is awesome looking.

Wayne

[Nigel]

Dick, one worry I had about mine and yours has reminded me of this..... it seems a very big palm with not so wide a base at the bottom, mine did not seem particularly stable.... it was very big up topside in relation to roots and trunk.

I kind of figured this would resolve itself , but do you think this palm can blow over in strong winds ?

[PalmGuyWC]

Nigel,

I think perhaps your palm had not matured enough to show its full potential. Mine has a massive base, butia sized. I would be more concerned about frond damage in a wind storm, than it blowing over. I know this sounds sick, but I have developed a plutonic relationship with my Butia X Parajubaea, and I even talk to it. Maybe it's growing so fast because of my positive vibes passed to it. (Bring out the white jacket)!!

Dick

[Nigel]

Nigel,

I think perhaps your palm had not matured enough to show its full potential. Mine has a massive base, butia sized. I would be more concerned about frond damage in a wind storm, than it blowing over. I know this sounds sick, but I have developed a plutonic relationship with my Butia X Parajubaea, and I even talk to it. Maybe it's growing so fast because of my positive vibes passed to it. (Bring out the white jacket)!!

Dick

Dick, I felt the same about mine !!! Imagine how i felt when I sold it , it would probably be at least as big as yours now.

[Kumar]

Jason, Matt,

The new sphers are growing about 1.5 inches in a 24 hr. period. Sept. and Oct. are my two best growing months [...]

Dick

That is fast. I wish there ws a way to know the speeds of growth different members get at their homes - some sort of online statistical record.

[PalmGuyWC]

Nigel,

At least your B X P found a good home in Portugal. I hope Charles has allowed plenty of room for it to grow, as they are going to be a fairly large palm.

Dick

[Nigel]

Nigel,

At least your B X P found a good home in Portugal. I hope Charles has allowed plenty of room for it to grow, as they are going to be a fairly large palm.

Dick

Hi Dick,

My BxP went to a garden in England. The last 2 winters were `winters of auld` and killed many butias , the BxP has apparently suffered quite severe leaf burn but despite being transplanted is capable of regeneration of leaves quite quickly and if the winters return to the mild winters of the preceding 20 or so years should grow into an impressive palm.

[iamjv]

Sorry to hear of the BxPs situation in the UK! On a positive note, glad to hear it made it through the winter and is alive! I imagine it would have been happier in Portugal! Jv

[Sandy Loam]

On 9/1/2010, 2:50:26, JasonD said:

Our garden group paid a third-annual visit to Dick's garden in Walnut Creek a few weeks back. Boy, has his Butia X Parajubaea cocoides grown!

 

Wow, this is obviously a huge tree, but it still has no trunk. Are there any photos out there of a Butia x Parajubaea (cocoides) with an actual trunk?  I am wondering if this hybrid is slow to trunk, despite its overall growth rate.  I have one myself, but it is too soon to tell how it will grow.

[Tropicdoc]

Alberto in brazil has 4? Of them with trunk. He’s got pics somewhere on palmtalk search “butia x parajubaea haircut”

[Josue Diaz]

2 hours ago, Tropicdoc said:

Alberto in brazil has 4? Of them with trunk. He’s got pics somewhere on palmtalk search “butia x parajubaea haircut”

 

21 hours ago, Sandy Loam said:

 

Wow, this is obviously a huge tree, but it still has no trunk. Are there any photos out there of a Butia x Parajubaea (cocoides) with an actual trunk?  I am wondering if this hybrid is slow to trunk, despite its overall growth rate.  I have one myself, but it is too soon to tell how it will grow.

Here's the link: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/55367-butia-x-parajubaea-haircut/#comment-830008