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A nice day at Villa Beccari

M@ximus

By M@ximus
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Last wednesday, with my palm mate Sergio, we took a visit to Villa Beccari in Florence!!!

Initially , Traky Takil took our attention until the moment we saw a group of suckering Trakycarpus that O. Beccari described as

" trachycarpus caespitosa""

O. Beccari described this new species in 1915 based of photos and samples shipped him from Mr.G.H. Wright, Riverside, California.

Like Traky wagnerianus ,nobody has ever found it growing in the wild!!

This palm is in the "palm list " of many storical gardens here in Italy, but this is the only one that I ever see in person!!

I don't know, if this palm could be reproduced by seeds, because in that case, we would have had a lot of they nowadays!!!

I think that this is a real " suckering Traky"

But I'm not a specialist, and I want only show you the palm. Everybody could have his opinion!!

Best M@x

pic 1 takil & Fortunei

pic 2 takil

pic 3 Traky caespitosa

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M@x

North Rome Italy

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M@ximus

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some more pics

pic 1 Traky caespitosa close up of 1 palm

pic 2 Traky caespitosa

best M@x

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M@x

North Rome Italy

iamjv Mentor

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M@x so good to see you posting.... very very interesting details and pictures. Although those trachies are interesting I was surprised to see that large saguaro cactus growing next to the building in the first picture.... I take it this area is fairly dry and has good draining soils.... Hope you managed to get some seeds. :) Jv

Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C)

paulgila Grand Master

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i just saw a tv show about this place a few months ago.very beautiful.thanks for sharing yer pix,m@x!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

tjwalters Veteran

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Very interesting! I don't believe I've ever seen clumping Trachycarpus (though I seem to have heard of them), and would have never guessed this post had anything to do with them. Can the post be re-titled? It might draw more attention to these odd T. fortunei (...fortunei???).

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a/b
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I have a nice little dwarf clumping Trachy from David Glover at Tejas Tropicals. He thinks its nanus (or the like), but he's not sure because of some mixup when he moved to his current location. This little guy already has two suckers. Maybe David could share some more information.

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paulgila Grand Master

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m@x i didnt see "trachycarpus caespitosa" on the pacsoa website & i am not at home so i cant check the encyclopedia.are you sure thats a valid species?

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

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m@x i didnt see "trachycarpus caespitosa" on the pacsoa website & i am not at home so i cant check the encyclopedia.are you sure thats a valid species?

It's a T. fortunei synonym (along with T. wagnerianus), according to the Kew web site.

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a/b
hardiestpalms.com

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I don't think that "trachycarpus caespitosa" is a recognized species.

This palm seems to have disappeared few years after Beccari's death!!

I was also skeptical about it's existence, until I saw these beautiful palms at Beccari gardens!!

I saw many trakys growing together, ( from separate seeds), but no one, was similar to the "caespitosa"

As said, it probably couldn't be reproduced by seeds ( or maybe it might be possible in a chance of 1 of out of 10.000), and this, for sure has been and still is it's limit!!

My opinion is that with a sucker, we will acheive the same plant. And maybe, one day, a lot of them !!

I will do all that is possible , trying to reproduce this palm.

My opinions are personal, and I am a dreamer :rolleyes:

Best M@x

M@x

North Rome Italy

paulgila Grand Master

paulgila

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good luck m@x!

the "prince of snarkness."

 

still "warning-free."

 

san diego,california,left coast.

Ilya Newbie

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It could be a rare recessive mutant of fortunei. If pollinated by nearby regular fortunei it will produce normal non suckering F1 plants and you will need to cross them to each other in order to produce (~25%) of suckering plants.

Of course, this is just a suggestion that could explain why we do not have these palms everywhere.

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It could be a rare recessive mutant of fortunei. If pollinated by nearby regular fortunei it will produce normal non suckering F1 plants and you will need to cross them to each other in order to produce (~25%) of suckering plants.

Of course, this is just a suggestion that could explain why we do not have these palms everywhere.

Hmm... that could take a while. How about meristem tissue culture from one of the suckers while we are waiting? :blink::):greenthumb:

Tom

Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a/b
hardiestpalms.com

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Any more pictures of the place, prego...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

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Max your first photo is the best I have ever seen on this subject. Not because it shows the takil in great detail, but surely it is not possible to take a better photo showing the differences between takil and fortunei. Truly remarkeable and if anybody ever asks about the differences in future this photo says it all.

Resident in Bristol UK.

Webshop for hardy palms and hybrid seeds www.hardy-palms.co.uk

Kris Grand Master

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Dear brother M@x :)

Lovely stills and very happy to see your interaction in our forum after a long break ! :winkie:

And by the way thats a very beautiful place...the person who owned that place should have had beautiful taste for exotic plants & palms,as our friend Jv has pointed out...

Thanks & Love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Buon giorno, M@x!

Keep up the pictures!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Jimhardy Mentor

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Thanks for posting that Max!

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The palm at the left indeed looks to be a real T. takil!

Alexander

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