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What do you think this Butia?

MAUSER

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MAUSER

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Hi.

This Butia do not know what it is to open a leafs.

It has large trunk, and have a large leafs to make the pinate. Always closed. Why?

Could being a hybrid?

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MAUSER Proficient

MAUSER

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More photos.

It has no spines

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I would appreciate any comment.

Thanks

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kristof p Proficient

kristof p

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never seen that on a 'normal' Butia. i see it also has no spines on the petioles...i think it is a hybrid but with what?

it definitely has the size to have fully pinate leaves.

(are B. archeri and B. purpurera the only Butia species without spines on the petioles?)

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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I think you are correct Mauser, it appears to be a hybrid. The lack of spines is one indicator. Could it be one of your Butia X Parajubea? I believe Parajubea have a habit of producing fronds that do not separate. It looks very nice just like it is.

Kristof, another is Butia paraguayensis.

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Wierd. Could it be a low light thing?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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I think its a real beauty, but it doesnt look like any butia I have seen at that trunk stage.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

Jeff zone 8 N.C. Experienced

Jeff zone 8 N.C.

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Mauser, I have a Butia 'Strictior' that does not want to open it's leaves either. It's leaves look exactly like yours but my leaves stand up in the air (strict), not horizontal like yours. Mine has the same leaf color with blue/silver petioles and a little greener leaf. My trunk is not as large as yours though. I say it's a hybrid. I don't think it has a Parajubaea father though as there is not nearly enough fiber on the trunk. May be a mule. Butia x Syagrus? I have seen weeping leaf mules.

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Mauser:

Parajube cocoides tend to be shy about going pinnate for a long time, plus they have recurved leaves like your plant does.

On the other hand, Parajubes don't get that big and bodacious in pots -- they're really an in-the-ground palm. I've never seen one get big like yours in a pot. Instead, they just sit and not grow much until you put them in the ground.

You might well have a hybrid.

Keep us posted, please!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Here's a pic of one of my P. cocoides babies. With the Shoe for scale.

Mauser, your palm is MUCH more robust.

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Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Kris Grand Master

Kris

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Dear Friends :)

what a surprise ! :hmm: even i have a palm like this,that is growing in a pot taking full sun in our roof top gardens.it was sent to me as gift by brother M@x labelled as Butia.Cap.

3 seedlings came to me but one did survive our top weather here.and for months i thought it is showing signs of transport shock.

But now i realise,that its normal & doing okay health wise.. :)

i will repot this palm & show stills of it soon !

Love,

Kris :)

love conquers all..

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Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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I believe you have a hybrid . I have many XButyagrus' and some of them look like

yours. I'll take a pic of it later today and show you. Did you produce this yourself or did you buy it?

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Mauser,

It could be a hybrid, but I suspect it is a mutant which would make it just as rare and desirable as a hybrid. If you have a place for it, I would put it in the ground, and only time will tell what it is as it grows larger.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

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MAUSER

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Hello.

This afternoon I planted. One detail that I forgot to mention is that the bases of older leaves are removed with ease.

kristof p:

I think that to know with what was hybridized, if was did, with the shape of the flowers, in the future.

Matt:

Are not of my hybrids. Was found in a visit to nurseries, palm fans, called "Minibienal".

MattyB:

They have sun a little filtering. The bottom of the leaf is more green, than the upper.

sonoranfans:

Thank you for considering a beauty, I am excited about seeing the future development.

Jeff zone 8 N.C.:

I think that any Butia, at this stage has to have all their leaves developed (pinate).

Dave from So-Cal:

Thanks for the photo it looks pretty, but the color of the blade is upside down.

Kris and Mark Heath ... I hope these photos with impatience. :drool:

Dick:

Another possible version ... a mutation. Everything can be.

Thanks to all

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Copihue Apprentice

Copihue

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Mauser,

What a special palm. I wouldn't call her a beauty, but original, that is for sure!... Good luck, and let us know how it fares...

Jose Almandoz

IPS life member

Iturraran Botanical Garden

Basque Country, Coastal Northern Spain, Z9

Christian_G Explorer

Christian_G

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Hello Mauser,

the palm on the picture reminds me of some palms I am growing in southern Switzerland. The following picture shows 2 of them:

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The two palms shown on the picture above were grown from seeds collected from the tall Butia shown on the three following pictures (the tall Butia grows in the south of France):

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Click here!

and

Click here!

for older postings regarding the tall Butia and its identity.

M@ximus, I have seen that you asked me for seeds in the posting of 2006. I have realized just today that I never replied to you. If you read this, first of all I would like to apologize, and second, if you are still interested (3 years is a long time...), please let me know.

Ciao from Switzerland,

Christian

kristof p Proficient

kristof p

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Christian,

that is one very nice Butia x Jubaea or the other way around!

PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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The picture of the large palm has been posted here before. The more I look at it, the more I think it's a Butia X Jubaea. The twist in the fronds looks like the one I have and the large trunk.

Dick

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Richard Douglas

DoomsDave Grand Master

DoomsDave

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Great Shoe, too!

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply.

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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Mauser,

here are two palms that i promised pics. These are deffinate hybrids for you to compare to.

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Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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a closer one.

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Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

The Pollen Poacher!!

GO DOLPHINS!!

GO GATORS!!!

 

Palms, Sex, Money and horsepower,,,, you may have more than you can handle,,

but too much is never enough!!

MAUSER Proficient

MAUSER

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Thanks Mark for the photos. Not to think about whether hybrid or not, but I like it, is different. The other day in them nurseries, I see another more larger and the leaves also closed. I could not take a picture because I driver. Let's see if I back.

we call it Butia alfredii (with windows)

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rockos82 Contributor

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Here's a pic of one of my P. cocoides babies. With the Shoe for scale.

Mauser, your palm is MUCH more robust.

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Hey dave it looks like some hacked you login and posted a pic...... I can tell because the shoe isn't red... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Rock

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