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An update on "The Freak" F2 xButyagrus

Gtlevine

By Gtlevine
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Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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This is my F2 Butyagrus from seed collected in 1998 from the Huntington Butyagrus. It has really grown this year and is now over 20 feet with a 2 foot base and not even close to forming trunk. It is just a giant shuttlecock, totally freaky looking.

Gary

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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One of my fav's at your place!

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

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virtualpalm Veteran

virtualpalm

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This is my F2 Butyagrus from seed collected in 1998 from the Huntington Butyagrus. It has really grown this year and is now over 20 feet with a 2 foot base and not even close to forming trunk. It is just a giant shuttlecock, totally freaky looking.

Gary, that is pretty freaky looking -- but in a cool way. It looks to me like it might have some Jubaea in it. Is it possible that this is a triple species hybrid? Are there any jubaeas growing near the Butiagrus at the Huntington? If it ever sets good seed, count me in as being interested!

Jody

JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA Experienced

JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA

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That beast is awesome! There will not be much of that seed lying under the Huntington Butyagrus after this post.

Jeff Rood

freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Awesome! I wonder how fat it will get. It really is holding the fronds upright, almost Jubea like. Very cool.

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

Mark Heath Veteran

Mark Heath

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That is one freaky palm!!! COOL! It gonna be a site to see when it finally develops a trunk! Please keep us posted!

Orlando, Florida

zone 9b

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galveston1602

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When did you germinate this monster?

great tree, I always like seeing pics of it.

Allen

Galveston Island Tx

9a/9b

8' Elevation

Sandy Soil

Jan Avgs 50/62

Jul Avgs 80/89

Average Annual Rainfall 43.5"

palmsrgreat Experienced

palmsrgreat

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WOW! That palm kicks ass!

MAUSER Proficient

MAUSER

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IMPRESIONANTE :drool:(Impressive)

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PalmGuyWC Grand Master

PalmGuyWC

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Hi Gary,

I think Mauser sums it up perfectly. IMPRESSIVE!! That's a giant.

I have a Butiagrus (F1) that grew to gigantic preportions. The trunk is about 2 feet in diameter and the fronds are close to 20" long. Unfortunately, it's sterile. Patrick Schafer has been eyeing it for years, wishing somehow it could be cloned.

Dick

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Jeff in Costa Rica Grand Master

Jeff in Costa Rica

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Very cool palm! I've only been to the Huntington once and the one palm that I remember the most (besides the Jubea) was their Butyagrus - one of the most beautiful ones I have ever seen.

Formerly Jeff in Costa Rica
 

_Keith Grand Master

_Keith

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Truly awesome palm. And somebody educate me, in a new thread if need be, what does all of this "F2" stuff mean?

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freakypalmguy Grand Master

freakypalmguy

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Truly awesome palm. And somebody educate me, in a new thread if need be, what does all of this "F2" stuff mean?

Keith, I'm gonna take a newby stab at this.

F1 hybrid = the original cross between the mother and father.

F2 hybrid = a new cross using one of the offspring from the obove and another doner

How did I do?

Matt

Matt in Temecula, CA

Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean

osideterry Grand Master

osideterry

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That monster could probably take 15F with no damage. I think the Jubaea look is probably the result of queen-like leafbases stretched around a butia-girth trunk. Most palms would be dwarfed by those boulders. That will only get better with age.

Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22

7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m)

Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C)

Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm)

joe_OC Grand Master

joe_OC

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I used to breed african chiclids and discus fish as a hobby...If hybridizing palms is similar to hybridizing fish, then an "F2" palm would mean that it is a palm that came from two "F1" (original hybridized palms) germinated palms. Since we are dealing with plants, then it could be from a self-germinating "F1" palm.

Gary, how do you know that it is an "F2" palm? You said you collected it at the Huntington...It's possible that the palm you have could be a completely new "F1" hybrid?

Huntington Beach, CA

USDA Zone 10a/10b

Sunset Zone 24

Gtlevine Grand Master

Gtlevine

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I will clarify my thoughts on this palm. In 1998 the seed was collected which fell from the xButyagrus at the Huntington Botanical Garden, this HBG Butyagrus is my single favorite palm, and Merril Wilcox Mona Lisa, in my opinion. 1000 +/- seed was harvested and germinated. Most of the seed was infertile and approximately 100 germinated. Of the germinated seed, most died and the final result was about 25 palms that grew up to 15 gallon plants. I have two of these in my garden, one of them is beautiful palm that has more of a Butia look, I imagine that one was pollinated from a Butia in the garden. The palm I posted looked like it was a self pollinated F2 Butyagrus, debunking the myth of sterility among xButyagrus. It looked exactly like the Huntington xButyagrus from the start. But after I planted it and it began to grow, it started to change into this freaky palm the likes of which I never have seen. The leaves still are on a flat plane with wide leaflets, but it began growing strait up like a shuttlecock. It never loses any leaves, if I did not cut off the lower leaves they would still be on the plant. I am starting to think that maybe a Jubaea contributed the pollen, only because this palm is becoming enormous like a Jubaea and it looks years away from trunking. The HBG xButyagrus is also a very large palm, so it could be a self pollinated xButyagrus with a weird combination of the genes, I just don't know. I will keep posting updates once a year so we can see what happens with this palm.

Gary

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Rock Ridge Ranch

South Escondido

5 miles ENE Rancho Bernardo

33.06N 117W, Elevation 971 Feet

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merrill Mentor

merrill

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Hi, Osideterry:

Some of my XButyagrus [8 out of 9] survived 10F, but required meristem surgery.

A F2 XButyagrus may be entirely self pollinated; this is most likely Gary's very unusual F2 XButyagrus. My impression is that the frequency of selfs with Garys' XButyagrus is unusually high.

The mother of the Huntington XButyagrus is still alive in my back yard. It is extremely difficult to work with because the fronds are so close together. I'm going to trim more than usual and try to get someone to pollinate it again; fertile XButyagrus are exceedingly rare.

Best Wishes,

merrill

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merrill, North Central Florida

sonoranfans Grand Master

sonoranfans

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Awesome palm gary, seems like one of a kind. That palm would be a great addition to any collection. thanks for the pics.

Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Wow!

Impressive indeed, and, yes, very Jube-ish.

Do keep us posted . . . .

Let's keep our forum fun and friendly.

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Moose Grand Master

Moose

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Hate it when the photos disappear

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Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

Josh-O Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Moose said:

Hate it when the photos disappear

the palm is still there in Gary garden. you just need to use your imagination to see it full potential ;)

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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Collectorpalms Grand Master

Collectorpalms

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On 8/31/2008 at 11:19 AM, Gtlevine said:

This is my F2 Butyagrus from seed collected in 1998 from the Huntington Butyagrus. It has really grown this year and is now over 20 feet with a 2 foot base and not even close to forming trunk. It is just a giant shuttlecock, totally freaky looking.

 

Gary

 

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The photo is no longer available. Does anyone have offspring from palm at Huntington Gardens. I received a seedling from this palm a few years ago, and I am wondering what it looks like. To me mine looks like it has some jubaea in it, but not syagrus.  Its not a mule palm for sure. I found the parent palm picture from Dave Garden website.

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Santa Barbara,  California. Zone 10b

Ryan (Paleoclimatologist Since 4 billion Years ago, Meteorologist/Earth Scientist/Physicist Since 1995, Savy Horticulturist Since Birth.)

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