Dypsis spp. mayotte versus lanceolata

[Walter John]

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[Walter John]

Compare the two and let me know your thoughts:

Dypsis sp. "Mayotte"

Dypsis lanceolata

[Walter John]

And here's the thinner leaflets of Dypsis cabadae for another comparison.

[tanetahi]

There is a thread (with good photo) on the Fous-des-Palmiers board;

Dypsis sp Mayotte thread

I'm not sure if the latin name that has been applied to it, ie Dypsis sohoensis, has been validly published or whether people have just taken to calling it that.

Edited July 13, 2008 by tanetahi

[tanetahi]

Mayotte is only about two hundred kilometres southeast from Moheli, where D. lanceolata is known in the wild. Although the ones collected from Mayotte have been marketed as D. sp. Mayotte, it may not necessarily be a species in its own right. It could perhaps be best considered a geographical form or subspecies of D. lanceolata, if indeed there are stable and consistent differences between the two.

Mayotte is geologically the oldest island in the Comores group, as well as being the nearest to the northeast coast of Madagascar, so its fairly likely that Mayotte is where the ancestor of D. lanceolata established first of all, on arrival in the Comores from Madagascar.

[Jason in Orlando]

The one difference I have noticed between the two species, from the very few individuals I have actually grown, is that D. lanceolata begins clustering far earlier than D. sp. "Mayotte" does.

Jason

[ffeuillade]

Hi

I'm the "BO' of the "fous de palmiers" forum. In fact "sohoensis" has not be validated, it's just a name given by the guy who found the seed in the Mayotte's area called Sohoa. We don't really know if it's a special variant from Mayotte or the same as lanceolata from Mada. The fact is, they are a little different.

[JD in the OC]

Wal,

Based on all the Mayotte's and Lanceolata's I've seen (primarily at Jerry Anderson's place) I think you have two Lanceolata's there. Dypsis Mayotte has easily-noticeable ribbon-like leaflets which are not lanceolate at all, they are more similar to D. cabadae. Mayotte has pinkish petioles though.

Jerry Anderson, could you confirm??

Jd

[Walter John]

Wal,

Based on all the Mayotte's and Lanceolata's I've seen (primarily at Jerry Anderson's place) I think you have two Lanceolata's there. Dypsis Mayotte has easily-noticeable ribbon-like leaflets which are not lanceolate at all, they are more similar to D. cabadae. Mayotte has pinkish petioles though.

Jerry Anderson, could you confirm??

Jd

I've heard before about mayotte with ribbon leaflets being mentioned before, so I'll go with a unanimous umpiring decision on what I've got but I must say that it (my sold to me as mayotte) has much smaller or stubbier leaflets as you can see in the photos than lanceolata. Just a variable of lanceolata perhaps ?

[Walter John]

One last examination of my plants and then perhaps we could see what else is being sold as mayotte Dypsis, if someone would be so kind to post some pics.

Mayotte

Lanceolata

[Matt in SD]

Wal,

Your mayotte looks just like one of the two palms that have been sold around here as Dypsis pembana, I've been calling this the dark version as it has a much darker trunk than what I think is the real pembana. I had also thought it was the same as 'mayotte' but then Len has a 'mayotte' from Jerry Anderson and also one of these "dark pembana's" and says they're different.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is I have not idea what your plant is...but I think I have on too.

Matt

[ffeuillade]

Here, more pics of my D.mayotte:

[ffeuillade]

Hope it can help

[Walter John]

I wouldn't call those ribbon like leaflets as such, wide but not as wide and long as lanceolata, but not as stubby as mine. I'm happy to call mine a lanceolata, but it is different so I'll think about a made up name like some of you guys do.

[Rafael]

Both fascinating!

[palmcurry]

The Dypsis mayotte I know has thin 'ribbon' like leaves. The palms in this thread look like D. lanceolata to me...don't look like D.pembana. I have all three and they look similar(as juveniles) in all but the leaves.

[olivier971]

Here is a palm identified as Dypsis sp Mayotte in Georges Pastel's garden in Martinique

If it can help you ...

[Carlo Morici]

Wal's "sp.Mayotte" looks to me like our Dypsis lanceolata.

Carlo

[JD in the OC]

I second that Carlo.

[Ken Johnson]

Here is a palm identified as Dypsis sp Mayotte in Georges Pastel's garden in Martinique

If it can help you ...

Schiznick I think I have a palm like that on my farm. I am going to get a pic tomorrow and post to see if you all think they look similar. I have wondered what the heck it is. Even mattyB was unsure.

[BS Man about Palms]

That one looks like a triangle hybrid....

[Walter John]

Who's Georges Pastel when he's at home ? This is another mystery and then there's Dypsis leucophylla, remember this ?

Dypsis leucophylla

[Ken Johnson]

That one looks like a triangle hybrid....

Don't we see pictures of decarii x cabade here on PT that look different than that?

I am suspectimg that there are several closly related Dypsis that have this look and then cultivation has caused hybridation so there are many different looking types. The hybrids could be forced to create different looks too. This happens with Phoenix at a high rate. The same may be true of these Dypsis. Just plant them so they touch each other and sprout the seeds. If there is a large variation in the seedlings they can be sorted and grown on to revael their new look..

Antway, here is a picture of an off type growing on my farm. It has 2 trunks just like the one in the bad picture. I will shot it again and some other Dypsis later.

[palmislandRandy]

I always thought this was a lanceolata, but now I have my doubts & am confused. It looks more like the first few photos in post #1, if that is a mayotte. Any idea on an ID?

Randy

[Ken Johnson]

Here is another pic of mine. The cabadae is for comparison.

[JD in the OC]

palmisland.. i'd say shade-grown D. lanceolata (a bit stretched)

Ken.. i'd say palm in first pic may be D. mayotte due to thinner leaflets..