Lytoagrus= Lytocarium wedellinum x Syagrus romanzoffiana

[Alberto]

I have 3 L.wedellianum growing under dense canopy of my araucaria forest. They are exceptionally hardy in most of the winters. Once I planted 20 little palms and only this survived a hard freeze in 2001. One is flowering since last year and pollenated it with queen pollen last february.Here you can see the proces:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/album/562641905xnDECV

Edited October 22, 2008 by Alberto

[Alberto]

Female flowers (anthesis)

[Alberto]

I put the inflorescence in a plastic bag with fresh queen pollen in it and shaking it, all the flowers were covered with pollen.

[Alberto]

After a few days it shows the beginning of little fruits.....

Edited October 22, 2008 by Alberto

[Alberto]

I made a little tent over the pollenated inflorescence to protect it against the rain...

[Alberto]

Most of this fruits felt from the palm after some freezes last winter,but other two inflorescences were very succesfull!

This pic (of 22 october)shows the first and second pollenated inflorescences:

Edited October 22, 2008 by Alberto

[Alberto]

This is the third pollenated inflorescence:

[merrill]

Hi, Alberto:

You are certainly making a wonderful contribution with your cocosoid palm hybrids! The multiplicity of the cocosoid palms in the southern hemisphere is one of the wonders of the natural world. The corresponding flora in the higher latitudes of the northern hemisphere shows little if any inclination to hybridize. Hope you fellows will wish me well in my future attempts to hybridize our limited monoecious northern palmate palm flora.

Best Wishes,

merrill

[BS Man about Palms]

Somewhere I have some photos of Bill Dickensons Lytoagrus....Wait, I'll look.

[BS Man about Palms]

Found a shot of Dave, Ken, Jeff and I visiting Bill earlier this year. Lytoagrus to the left.

[BS Man about Palms]

Another angle.

[PalmGuyWC]

If Lytocarium will cross with S. romanzoffianum, then I bet it would cross with a Butia. Has anyone tried it? Nice photographs, Alberto.

Dick

[Alberto]

If Lytocarium will cross with S. romanzoffianum, then I bet it would cross with a Butia. Has anyone tried it?

Dick

........me! I´ll try it the following days! Yesterday I sifted Butia eriospatha pollen,and I´m waiting for the female flowers of my new Lytocarium inflorescence,to open. I tried also Lytocaryum pollen on a Butia without succes.

BTW I´ve read that Dickensons Lytoagrus is producing fertile seeds......(?)

Edited October 23, 2008 by Alberto

[Kris]

that's lot of work ! i admire your pateince..

lots of love,

Kris

[PalmGuyWC]

Hi Alberto,

It will be interesting to see if you can cross Lytocarium with Butia. Sometimes a cross will work one way but not the other. For what its worth: TikiRicki in Ft. Lauderdale has a Syagrus Schizophylla X S. Romanzoffiana and it produces viable seeds.

Dick

[JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA]

I was lucky to get a Lytoagrus from Bill Dickenson. I will try to post a picture later tonight.

JEFF

[Alberto]

Hi, Alberto:

You are certainly making a wonderful contribution with your cocosoid palm hybrids! The multiplicity of the cocosoid palms in the southern hemisphere is one of the wonders of the natural world. The corresponding flora in the higher latitudes of the northern hemisphere shows little if any inclination to hybridize. Hope you fellows will wish me well in my future attempts to hybridize our limited monoecious northern palmate palm flora.

Best Wishes,

merrill

Hi Merril! I wish you lot of succes!

Maybe you can tell us something about your"future attempts"to cross the northern palmate flora.....

It's worth a new topic!

[BS Man about Palms]

If Lytocarium will cross with S. romanzoffianum, then I bet it would cross with a Butia. Has anyone tried it?

Dick

........me! I´ll try it the following days! Yesterday I sifted Butia eriospatha pollen,and I´m waiting for the female flowers of my new Lytocarium inflorescence,to open. I tried also Lytocaryum pollen on a Butia without succes.

BTW I´ve read that Dickensons Lytoagrus is producing fertile seeds......(?)

Its true. I have one....not doing so well, but Gary Levine has a very nice one indeed.

[JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA]

Here it is:

[Alberto]

it´s a beauty!Is this an F1 or F2 palm?

[JEFF from Trabuco Canyon CA]

F2

[freakypalmguy]

Great work Alberto. Nice shots of your hybridizing work. What is the coldest your L.wedellianum has experienced.

Matt

[tank]

Alberto,

That is a very interesting hybrid. Keep us posted on the Lytocarium x Butia. What would that be called?

[Alberto]

Alberto,That is a very interesting hybrid.  Keep us posted on the Lytocarium x Butia.  What would that be called?

let us wait if it will produce some viable seeds and than palms.....

...............Lytotia sounds strange in my ears! Lytocatia....?

Edited October 25, 2008 by Alberto

[Gtlevine]

Here is one I bought from Bill Dickenson three years ago and is now about five feet. Bill self pollinated his specimen shown in the above photos to produce this palm.

Gary

[Alberto]

Auto pollination of this hybrid palm will show a big variability of offspring. This one shows clearly some queen palm features.

[PalmGuyWC]

With an F2 hybrid, you never know what the results will be. It most likely will look like the parent F1, but could also have more similarities to either of the parent F1.

Dick

[Gtlevine]

Never can tell with F2's, but Bill told me his parent plant actually looked like mine when it was a juvenile, so change can be coming.

Gary

[Alberto]

After 9 months (!!!!!) the first 2 hybrid fruits are ripe. Lytocarium shows the typical splitting of the fruit when it ripes.

[BS Man about Palms]

After 9 months (!!!!!) the first 2 hybrid fruits are ripe. Lytocarium shows the typical splitting of the fruit when it ripes.

Looks very promising Alberto, good work!!!!

[Alberto]

Great work Alberto. Nice shots of your hybridizing work. What is the coldest your L.wedellianum has experienced.

Matt

I don´t know exactly how cold it was in the forest,but outside it was around -6´C. All my Euterpes edulis where dead and few Lytocaryum survived.

[Kai]

Hi Alberto,

Did you manage to germinate some of the hybrid seeds???

Cheers!

[Alberto]

Hi Alberto,

Did you manage to germinate some of the hybrid seeds???

Cheers!

hi Kai,

i checked the seeds yesterday...All are sleeping,yet.....SSSSSSS....SSSSSSSS

[merrill]

QUOTE:

Alberto,

That is a very interesting hybrid. Keep us posted on the Lytocarium x Butia. What would that be called?

S/

Jason END QUOTE

Gentlemen;

May I suggest Lybutia, Butarium, or Bucarium? Those two names aren't easy to combine!

merrill

Edited March 10, 2009 by merrill

[Kai]

Hi Alberto,

Did you manage to germinate some of the hybrid seeds???

Cheers!

hi Kai,

i checked the seeds yesterday...All are sleeping,yet.....SSSSSSS....SSSSSSSS

Hi Alberto,

WAKE THEM UP! Time for them to rise and shine!

[Alberto]

BIG, BIG surprise!!!!!!

I had totally forgotten about the seeds in a ziplock bag in the garage. Normally Lytocaryum seeds germinate easily after a few weeks to months after planted.

The very thin mesocarp (shell) of the seeds makes that the viability of such a seed "looks" short, and not like a Butia or Jubaea with a thick shell that can germinate after years.

I tried to germinate the hybrid seeds in a ziplock bag in the incubator for about one and halve year, They didn´t show any sign of life, so after that I made place for other seeds in the incubator and put the bag on a shell and forgot about it. Last week I made a little cleaning and SURPRISE, I saw three green strap leaves seeking for light. I opened the bag and found a VERY dry vermiculite (I don´t know how the little growth didn´t dried up ) potted up the seedlings imediately.

Lesson learned: Some seeds are SLOW and take years to germinate. Because i have a lot of other hybrid seeds that also didn´t germinate in the first year and i thought they were not viable, despite looking OK. I´ll wait now to trough away the Syagrus rom x S. botriophora, Butia x s. ruschianna seeds,etc etc

[Nigel]

Alberto !!!!!!! Thats great news !!!!!!! I found many of the butinii germinate when the soil is almost dry so maybe they were waiting for the soil to dry out ??

[Butiagrus]

up!

Any news of these seedlings ?

Edited April 29, 2015 by Butiagrus

[Alberto]

Unfortunaltely the few week seedlings didn´t survive. I have to try to make this hybrid again....

[Ben in Norcal]

I just got the inverse - syagrus x lytocaryum. Perhaps that is easier to make?