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How early/late is too early/late to safely plant Carolina cherry in Middle Tennessee?


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I planted three here on the Highland Rim in February 2022, and they bloomed in March and weathered the immense heat and drought that summer without incident. In December 2022, we got down to two degrees Fahrenheit below zero one morning with an afternoon high of two above zero, killing them down to the stumps, although they did regrow starting in March 2023. Our January 2024 winter that dropped to thirteen below zero yielded the same result; they were killed to the stumps but did survive and regrow the following spring. However, we had a very bad drought lasting from June to September 2024 that didn't give them a chance to really recover; instead, the soil up here on the sandy, cherty ridge (even in the shade) dried out so quickly and thoroughly with only one brief late July respite in that drought that they were dead by September.

I think I can succeed if I try again, though. After all, they are a recommended plant species in Nashville, which includes a few areas like Joelton and Ridgetop similar to mine but with a bit less rain. Some in Western Kentucky a bit further north also got damaged pretty badly by that December 2022 cold wave but were expected by experts to recover from it. Even with the worst possible timing (two sub-zero winters in a row with the second followed by an unusual drought lasting essentially all summer and preventing viable growth), bad siting (a slightly cooler ridge that drains too well for its own good) and zero human intervention to save them from the cold nor drought, I nearly succeeded. Ever since they perished, I've planned to replant them further down the escarpment where it'd be a degree or two warmer and the soil wouldn't dry out as easily; it gets more clayey into the Outer Nashville Basin, and even the sandy loam can be wetter in canyons around shale waterfalls - although I won't plant in the floodplain where the soil would be too wet and temperature versions may kill them. I just couldn't afford to replace them last February and am doubtful I'll be able to this February given that I fell victim to a scam in December and am still working on recovering enough for tax season. I'm getting very unnerved by potentially yet another whole year of setback, though!

Would I really have to plant them in February to have a near-certain chance of success here, though? I'm extremely worried that if I plant them in winter or autumn like I could deciduous trees or even just more continental-climate evergreen ones, they may be more vulnerable than established specimens due to not having time to establish, but if I plant them during the March to October growing season (cherry blossom season begins between March 5 and 19 here, averaging a March 12 start - we have a weeping cherry tree too), I'm worried that they may be stressed trying to both grow aboveground and underground at the same time instead of being able to focus on root growth - in addition to not having a week or few weeks to start establishing before the growing season like ones planted in February would. I'm worried about them faring worse than my old ones did if I plant them in any other month if our next winter surprises us with a third sub-zero cold wave this decade and also worried about unestablished specimens being more vulnerable to single-digit temperatures above zero (the coldest we usually get in any given year) than fully-established ones, but with February only getting single-digits about once every decade here and being less likely than December and January to get our dreaded, unusual sub-zero events, February really feels like the safest month to plant them because it's still cool enough for them to establish in peace but they're almost certainly not going to get surprised almost right away like they may if planted in December or January (or after a few weeks if planted in November).

How worried should I be about planting in some other month if I can't afford to this February and am feeling mentally weighed down by a full extra year of setback? Please help if you have any experience growing these in Middle Tennessee (or somewhere like the Tennessee Valley or West Tennessee Uplands with similar climate and geology)!

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5 hours ago, L.A.M. said:

I planted three here on the Highland Rim in February 2022, and they bloomed in March and weathered the immense heat and drought that summer without incident. In December 2022, we got down to two degrees Fahrenheit below zero one morning with an afternoon high of two above zero, killing them down to the stumps, although they did regrow starting in March 2023. Our January 2024 winter that dropped to thirteen below zero yielded the same result; they were killed to the stumps but did survive and regrow the following spring. However, we had a very bad drought lasting from June to September 2024 that didn't give them a chance to really recover; instead, the soil up here on the sandy, cherty ridge (even in the shade) dried out so quickly and thoroughly with only one brief late July respite in that drought that they were dead by September.

I think I can succeed if I try again, though. After all, they are a recommended plant species in Nashville, which includes a few areas like Joelton and Ridgetop similar to mine but with a bit less rain. Some in Western Kentucky a bit further north also got damaged pretty badly by that December 2022 cold wave but were expected by experts to recover from it. Even with the worst possible timing (two sub-zero winters in a row with the second followed by an unusual drought lasting essentially all summer and preventing viable growth), bad siting (a slightly cooler ridge that drains too well for its own good) and zero human intervention to save them from the cold nor drought, I nearly succeeded. Ever since they perished, I've planned to replant them further down the escarpment where it'd be a degree or two warmer and the soil wouldn't dry out as easily; it gets more clayey into the Outer Nashville Basin, and even the sandy loam can be wetter in canyons around shale waterfalls - although I won't plant in the floodplain where the soil would be too wet and temperature versions may kill them. I just couldn't afford to replace them last February and am doubtful I'll be able to this February given that I fell victim to a scam in December and am still working on recovering enough for tax season. I'm getting very unnerved by potentially yet another whole year of setback, though!

Would I really have to plant them in February to have a near-certain chance of success here, though? I'm extremely worried that if I plant them in winter or autumn like I could deciduous trees or even just more continental-climate evergreen ones, they may be more vulnerable than established specimens due to not having time to establish, but if I plant them during the March to October growing season (cherry blossom season begins between March 5 and 19 here, averaging a March 12 start - we have a weeping cherry tree too), I'm worried that they may be stressed trying to both grow aboveground and underground at the same time instead of being able to focus on root growth - in addition to not having a week or few weeks to start establishing before the growing season like ones planted in February would. I'm worried about them faring worse than my old ones did if I plant them in any other month if our next winter surprises us with a third sub-zero cold wave this decade and also worried about unestablished specimens being more vulnerable to single-digit temperatures above zero (the coldest we usually get in any given year) than fully-established ones, but with February only getting single-digits about once every decade here and being less likely than December and January to get our dreaded, unusual sub-zero events, February really feels like the safest month to plant them because it's still cool enough for them to establish in peace but they're almost certainly not going to get surprised almost right away like they may if planted in December or January (or after a few weeks if planted in November).

How worried should I be about planting in some other month if I can't afford to this February and am feeling mentally weighed down by a full extra year of setback? Please help if you have any experience growing these in Middle Tennessee (or somewhere like the Tennessee Valley or West Tennessee Uplands with similar climate and geology)!

I would wait until March or April. Around here I've rarely seen them damaged and they are tree size too. They even reseed in the woods, etc... 

On the other hand, maybe you're a tad too cold for them. There are nice tree formed hollies that may be a better option.  Utilize your best/better microclimate, carolina cherry laurel can take full sun. Best of luck with them.

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14 hours ago, Zone7Bpalmguy said:

I would wait until March or April. Around here I've rarely seen them damaged and they are tree size too. They even reseed in the woods, etc... 

On the other hand, maybe you're a tad too cold for them. There are nice tree formed hollies that may be a better option.  Utilize your best/better microclimate, carolina cherry laurel can take full sun. Best of luck with them.

How sure are you that March or April isn't too late in my area? What zone are you closest to besides your own - 8a or 7a? Are you east of the Blue Ridge or not? The Piedmont and Atlantic coastal plain get more seasonal lag than the Gulf Coastal Plain and inland areas west of the Blue Ridge do; the former tend to be warmer in December than February, but February is warmer than December for more interior/Gulf-influenced areas like mine. I could agree with waiting until early or mid March if I lived in a similar mid-Atlantic climate, but I'm wary of it here in Tennessee where seasonal lag is lower unless I have enough context to be sure someone has succeeded. I'm also closest to 7a despite being in 7b like you, with these ridgetops and the immediate floodplains probably being 7a in practice even though the hillsides and canyons probably are truly narrowly 7b. Thanks though!

I would plant them down the hillside but still above the actual floodplain. I think that's necessary to keep them a degree or two warmer during future cold waves and also to ensure they don't succumb to a future drought on the hilltops nor root rot in the floodplain. Also, we already have wild American hollies, and I'm trying to grow as many native evergreen trees/shrubs as our climate and soil will allow (even if it's marginal enough that I have to be more careful with siting for long-term success like I do with Carolina cherries).

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I'm just a neurodivergent Middle Tennessean guy that's obsessively interested in native plants (especially evergreen trees/shrubs) from spruces to palms.

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11 hours ago, L.A.M. said:

How sure are you that March or April isn't too late in my area? What zone are you closest to besides your own - 8a or 7a? Are you east of the Blue Ridge or not? The Piedmont and Atlantic coastal plain get more seasonal lag than the Gulf Coastal Plain and inland areas west of the Blue Ridge do; the former tend to be warmer in December than February, but February is warmer than December for more interior/Gulf-influenced areas like mine. I could agree with waiting until early or mid March if I lived in a similar mid-Atlantic climate, but I'm wary of it here in Tennessee where seasonal lag is lower unless I have enough context to be sure someone has succeeded. I'm also closest to 7a despite being in 7b like you, with these ridgetops and the immediate floodplains probably being 7a in practice even though the hillsides and canyons probably are truly narrowly 7b. Thanks though!

I would plant them down the hillside but still above the actual floodplain. I think that's necessary to keep them a degree or two warmer during future cold waves and also to ensure they don't succumb to a future drought on the hilltops nor root rot in the floodplain. Also, we already have wild American hollies, and I'm trying to grow as many native evergreen trees/shrubs as our climate and soil will allow (even if it's marginal enough that I have to be more careful with siting for long-term success like I do with Carolina cherries).

I'm in zone 7B. If I understood your post correctly, you wanted to hear folks experience with them in Tennessee area and were asking for advice.  Do you see any/many in your area? Are they mature or are they smaller sized plants? I assume you're referencing only the carolina cherry laurel, not the other hardier smaller evergreen laurels.  You seem to have a good understanding of your yard/area so maybe you've already answered your own questions.  Down here you can find seedlings pretty easily. In fact, that is how I obtained mine, I just pulled a few small ones up and grew them up to a large enough size to plant. 

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On 2/15/2026 at 7:17 AM, Zone7Bpalmguy said:

I'm in zone 7B. If I understood your post correctly, you wanted to hear folks experience with them in Tennessee area and were asking for advice.  Do you see any/many in your area? Are they mature or are they smaller sized plants? I assume you're referencing only the carolina cherry laurel, not the other hardier smaller evergreen laurels.  You seem to have a good understanding of your yard/area so maybe you've already answered your own questions.  Down here you can find seedlings pretty easily. In fact, that is how I obtained mine, I just pulled a few small ones up and grew them up to a large enough size to plant. 

Yes, that's correct, I feel the need for that. Or at least parts of the Ozarks, Kentucky, Southern Illinois or Southwest Virginia with similar enough climates that I can take their advice seriously as analogs to this area. Thanks for making sure!

I rarely tend to notice them around here, but again, they are a recommended plant by the local government in Nashville, which includes some areas with comaprable geology and temperatures but a few inches less rain than I get. I only ever noticed a few in a retiree-dominated community (I forget whether it was Fairfield Glade or Cumberland Cove, though) on the Cumberland Plateau in late 2023 that had also been killed to the stumps the year prior then regrown but had far wider stumps than mine did (indicating they were much older) - and I don't mean the southern part of the plateau closer to Monteagle and Lookout Mountain which have winters more comparable to mine, but rather the parts of the plateau closest to where I live (I'm on the Highland Rim with Nashville Basin valleys) that tend to be a few degrees colder. I also figure if Western Kentucky is warm enough for them to be expected to recover from December 2022 there, so should we be. Thanks though!

I'm just a neurodivergent Middle Tennessean guy that's obsessively interested in native plants (especially evergreen trees/shrubs) from spruces to palms.

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