What plants can be grown in an area where the pineapple plant does well?

[Oppido]

Hello everyone. For some time now, looking at the results of some users with the coconut palm, the question has arisen: how far is the winter hardiness of the coconut palm compared to the pineapple?
So now I would like to ask you: to what extent and to what extent can I consider the pineapple as a reference for other tropical plants and palms? If in the same area where I have the pineapple plant that, in terms of winter temperatures, thrives and you can also see an evident growth of leaves (although much more limited than in other seasons obviously), what chances would I have if I grew the following plants: Coconut Palm, Mango, Papaya, Musa Dwarf Cavendish, Musa Dwarf Red, Averrhoa Carambola, Guava, Howea Forseriana, Roystonea Regia, Annona Squamosa, Annona Muricata, Jackfruit, Annona Atemoya, Litchi, Longan, Rollinia, Morinda Citrifolia (noni), Black Zapote, Canistel, Cyrtostachys renda, Areca Palm (I don't know the exact species, since in the nursery they call it with this generic name) and Dypsis Decaryi?
Apart from the fact that the pineapple does well in winter I can't tell you anything else, since it has never flowered on me and consequently has never had to take the trouble of overwintering the fruit. The pineapple I'm talking about is the Champaca variety (even though I have dwarf pineapples, which I assume are the El Amigo variety).
Incidentally, in the same area in winter the Passiflora Edulis also do well (in fact it does well in an even colder environment), the Coffea Arabica and the Hass Avocado.
I hope I explained myself well (even if I'm not sure).
Thank you very much for your answers

[Silas_Sancona]

55 minutes ago, Oppido said:

Hello everyone. For some time now, looking at the results of some users with the coconut palm, the question has arisen: how far is the winter hardiness of the coconut palm compared to the pineapple?
So now I would like to ask you: to what extent and to what extent can I consider the pineapple as a reference for other tropical plants and palms? If in the same area where I have the pineapple plant that, in terms of winter temperatures, thrives and you can also see an evident growth of leaves (although much more limited than in other seasons obviously), what chances would I have if I grew the following plants: Coconut Palm, Mango, Papaya, Musa Dwarf Cavendish, Musa Dwarf Red, Averrhoa Carambola, Guava, Howea Forseriana, Roystonea Regia, Annona Squamosa, Annona Muricata, Jackfruit, Annona Atemoya, Litchi, Longan, Rollinia, Morinda Citrifolia (noni), Black Zapote, Canistel, Cyrtostachys renda, Areca Palm (I don't know the exact species, since in the nursery they call it with this generic name) and Dypsis Decaryi?
Apart from the fact that the pineapple does well in winter I can't tell you anything else, since it has never flowered on me and consequently has never had to take the trouble of overwintering the fruit. The pineapple I'm talking about is the Champaca variety (even though I have dwarf pineapples, which I assume are the El Amigo variety).
Incidentally, in the same area in winter the Passiflora Edulis also do well (in fact it does well in an even colder environment), the Coffea Arabica and the Hass Avocado.

As it pertains to Pineapple,  colored plant names represent what is often seen growing the same areas of -at least Southern CA where Pineapples can be seen in gardens. List would be cut a bit further north, like up in the Bay Area..

Pineapple is also common in yards here in the AZ low Desert, though they need a little shade from our intense summer heat..

Red = too tender. Don't think anyone has had any success w/ Cyrtostachys, even in the best spots to try one out there yet.

Yellow = Coconuts can / have been grown out there w/ some deg of success so far.

Light Green = As far as i'm aware, limited trialing of those specific things in S. Cal but have heard of success w/ them so far..

Dark Green = Good to go / relatively trouble free if sited / cared for properly.. 


Me myself?  Will monitor how stuff like Mango, Papaya, Lychee / Longan, Tamarind, and most esp.  Plumeria and Royal Poinciana planted in local yards / neighborhoods  do over the course of say 3 years or so to gauge how well / not so well any " tropical " -type palms ..or other stuff considered more tender... might do here.

In the case of palms, we're limited in what can be grown long term due to the heat / intensity of the sun / lack of consistently high humidity levels through most of the year.    Jungle-y stuff like  Veitchia, Chambeyronia can be grown here  ....but only until they're tall enough to reach above something that provides shade. Once exposed to our sun, their days are numbered.

Even a majority of the all to common Queen Palm experience a slow, torturous death here.  Pineapples ...and Coffee, believe it or not - < if grown where it won't get cooked by the sun >  will grow in the desert.


At the same time, i'm trialing some Pachria aquatica ..or glabra  <  since the nursery industry here apparently mixes these up fairly often >  outside atm to see ..if..  -or how well / not so well-   they'll tolerate our heat / what minimal cold we experience here during the winter.

Perform within my thinking,  they could end up in a local park or garden later.

[SouthernCATropicals]

I grow a lot of those fruit trees here in Southern California. I also have a happy pineapple. 
 

Assuming you’re frost free the ones that seem to not mind cooler temps are: Mango, Lychee, banana, guava, Atemoya, black sapote, canistel, jackfruit. They all seem to grow right through winter all the same. 
 

The winter days are a bit cooler in southern Europe however so that might cause some difference especially for something like a papaya. I have like 20 papayas most are happy but like 2 of them seem to have gotten root rot or something. Papayas always seem to recover though so definitely that is a good one. They will love your summer.

[Oppido]

Thanks to both of you for your replies. I forgot a plant in all this. How should I consider Pitaya? 

However, if I understand what I have read correctly, I am surprised that in the same position where I have pineapple, I can be successful with plants such as mango, star fruit, papaya, noni, A. muricata and cocos nucifera, although perhaps to a lesser extent than pineapple. The only thing I have yet to verify about pineapple is its fruiting. I know a person not far away (in Lido di Palmi) who grows several pineapple plants in the countryside, but he is on a slope facing the sea and records winter temperatures on average higher than mine by about 0.8/1.7°C depending on the day and the time of day, and in this area, using TNT in winter, he says that the flowering and fruiting of pineapples is good, also because he always manages to make them flower at the end of March/beginning of April when the temperatures are now always around 19/20°C maximum and 12/14°C minimum (apart from a few days when the maximum temperatures stop at 17°C and the minimum temperatures drop to 10-11°C); however, according to him, the pineapples he has tasted directly in the Canary Islands are more formed and tasty (but despite everything the pineapples he produces are still superior to those sold in supermarkets). So my question is: if pineapples also started to produce good fruit (I don't say excellently, but well), how would it compare to the plants I asked about earlier?

[Silas_Sancona]

3 minutes ago, Oppido said:

I forgot a plant in all this. How should I consider Pitaya? 

" Pitaya " is a pretty wide - ranging,  blanket term for various Cacti ..Everything from Dragon Fruit ( Hylocereus ) to various native Cacti here ( Stenocereus, / Pachycereus /  Echinocereus sps ..even Saguaro..  ..to numerous others native to Mexico and S. America are often called by that common name.

If inquiring about Dragon fruit / Hylocereus, It is also quite hardy.. ..Within the same envelope as Pineapple.


Regarding fruit quality, ..anything off a plant in the garden is always going to be better than 95% of stuff from the produce aisle in a majority of grocery stores, esp. here in the U.S...

Farmer's Market / produce stands would be the next best option to harvesting right off one's own trees / plants..


If the other plants are cultivated as well as any Pineapples ..Which actually aren't all that demanding to begin with..  the fruit quality can be good..

That in mind,  factors like the plant's age,  local soil,  stress factors the plants might experience in a individual climate,  can play a part into how any fruit it bares might taste..

Variety is important too..  If someone tries to grow a heat loving variety of say ...a Mango.. in an area where it doesn't always get warm enough during peak ripening,  you might have a tougher time enjoying a harvest of that  " perfect ' fruit..  ..Even if your Pineapples are   ..Perfect..  and both plants are lush and healthy..

That said,  Perfect to one,  isn't always perfect to another..

...In some cases, unique flavor profile(s) that can be expressed by growing something like say Coffee in a less than perfect climate / soil / under different climate / environment - related stress factors can create it's own cult - like following of people looking for that distinctly different flavor.. 

[SouthernCATropicals]

Dragon fruit plants grow great, they even root themselves super easily and do really well in pots. The red ones are so tasty like berries. 
 

I don’t know if you ever heard of white sapote, but it tastes fantastic and fruits prolifically especially in Mediterranean climates. 
 

Some of the other fruit trees you mentioned really don’t like temps that get below 50f / 10c. For example coconut and soursop(muricata) start to get quite ugly for every moment below 50f/10c. I’m still learning myself about these types of plants but for example my coconuts looked awful after 2 nights at 45f / 7.2c. Otherwise they showed only the slightest distress from regular nights around 10-12C during winter. I think it’s very likely that with age this wouldn’t be an issue anymore but something to consider if your temperatures are regularly below 10c.

 

I wouldn’t discourage you from trying coconuts though because people do achieve them but they really are very challenging even when you do everything right. Especially because coconuts are all seedlings and so each one has their own genetics unlike most trees we interact with who have a specific type of root sock and a clone graft on top. Two coconuts I purchased at the same time one of them was begging for death the entire year and a half it survived and the other is massive and looking quite nice now. 

 

I have 2 rollinia seedlings and they seem fine but grow slow for me and sometimes get ugly. 
 

Something I would definitely point out that a lot of these plants won’t die and will keep growing and probably fruit, but they might be ugly a big portion of the year if that matters to you. The ones I mentioned in my first post will look great all year I think.