Anciente Angiosperms: Illicium floridanum, Calycanthus occidentalis, Magnolia sp, Asimina parviflora, etc.

[Sevilla]

Hello,
I am looking for seeds of the following species. They belong to ancient angiosperm lineages and have a relict distribution between Asia and North America. Most of their relatives are from tropical climates but these few species have been able to adapt to temperate climates even with very cold winters.
Most have hard, shiny green leaves similar to those of a laurel, which gives them a tropical appearance.
If anyone could get seeds or knows of a place where you can buy seeds, I would be very grateful.

Illicium floridanum,

Calycanthus occidentalis,

Magnolia sp,

Asimina parviflora.

 

[Silas_Sancona]

Magnolia  seed should be easy to track down, common sps anyway.  Not sure about the less common ones that grow in the U.S. though.

Specific Asimina  and Illicium may be tougher to find.

Calycanthus, may be the hardest to find a source for ..who will ship over seas anyway,  esp. the California sp. ( C. occidentalis  )

Can't speak for the lifespan of seeds of Calycanthus  or Magnolia, but pretty sure viability is relatively short for Illicium.  Definitely is for Asimina  ..so it's hard to say whether or not seed would survive the trip from the U.S. to where you're located.

[Sevilla]

3 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Magnolia  seed should be easy to track down, common sps anyway.  Not sure about the less common ones that grow in the U.S. though.

Specific Asimina  and Illicium may be tougher to find.

Calycanthus, may be the hardest to find a source for ..who will ship over seas anyway,  esp. the California sp. ( C. occidentalis  )

Can't speak for the lifespan of seeds of Calycanthus  or Magnolia, but pretty sure viability is relatively short for Illicium.  Definitely is for Asimina  ..so it's hard to say whether or not seed would survive the trip from the U.S. to where you're located.

Thanks for the info. 

I have search these species here in Europe. I have found one nursery in Germany that produces C. floridanum and C. occidentalis, but I think they are the samen clone.  I would like to get more "genetic". 

Illicium floridanum is only found in some botanic gardens in Europe. Nobody sells plants or seeds. 

I have Asimina triloba, there are many people in ebay selling fresh seeds. It is a pretty plant but I would like to get A. parviflora beacuase it may be better adapted than triloba to hot and dry climates like mine.

 

 

 

[amh]

You could look at sheffield's seed company or rarepalmseeds for fresh seeds.

3 hours ago, Sevilla said:

Thanks for the info. 

I have search these species here in Europe. I have found one nursery in Germany that produces C. floridanum and C. occidentalis, but I think they are the samen clone.  I would like to get more "genetic". 

Illicium floridanum is only found in some botanic gardens in Europe. Nobody sells plants or seeds. 

I have Asimina triloba, there are many people in ebay selling fresh seeds. It is a pretty plant but I would like to get A. parviflora beacuase it may be better adapted than triloba to hot and dry climates like mine.

 

 

 

Asimina parviflora is very difficult to acquire, even in the United States, and if you can find seeds, the shelf life is very short.

You may consider Asimina obovata, because its native habitat is dryer than the other pawpaw species. Also, the seeds are much easier to acquire than A. parviflora.

[Silas_Sancona]

8 hours ago, Sevilla said:

Thanks for the info. 

I have search these species here in Europe. I have found one nursery in Germany that produces C. floridanum and C. occidentalis, but I think they are the samen clone.  I would like to get more "genetic". 

Illicium floridanum is only found in some botanic gardens in Europe. Nobody sells plants or seeds. 

I have Asimina triloba, there are many people in ebay selling fresh seeds. It is a pretty plant but I would like to get A. parviflora beacuase it may be better adapted than triloba to hot and dry climates like mine.

 

 

 

Tough to say ..None will grow here,  and Paw Paws / Asimina sps -of any kind- are a rare sight in California.

Our native Callycanthus  is only found along streams / mild, moist canyons between roughly 700- 5,500ft in elevation.  Think the eastern species prefers similar conditions as well. Western sp. is a touch tougher i think, but, still rarely seen in gardens, esp in warmer / drier areas of the state. Flowers have a strange, but pretty interesting scent though.

In Fl, the two Illicium  sps there are found in wetland / shady moist forest areas in the northern panhandle / Interior northern half of the Peninsula ( Yellow Anise ) Completely absent from areas of FL south of Tampa. Tried growing Yellow Anise ( I. parviflorum ) in Bradenton. Lasted maybe 6 months before it croaked ...Even w/ the extra humidity, and tucking it in a shady corner of the yard, just too hot for it there.

Interesting groups of plants, but somewhat touchy.

[Sevilla]

10 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Tough to say ..None will grow here,  and Paw Paws / Asimina sps -of any kind- are a rare sight in California.

Our native Callycanthus  is only found along streams / mild, moist canyons between roughly 700- 5,500ft in elevation.  Think the eastern species prefers similar conditions as well. Western sp. is a touch tougher i think, but, still rarely seen in gardens, esp in warmer / drier areas of the state. Flowers have a strange, but pretty interesting scent though.

In Fl, the two Illicium  sps there are found in wetland / shady moist forest areas in the northern panhandle / Interior northern half of the Peninsula ( Yellow Anise ) Completely absent from areas of FL south of Tampa. Tried growing Yellow Anise ( I. parviflorum ) in Bradenton. Lasted maybe 6 months before it croaked ...Even w/ the extra humidity, and tucking it in a shady corner of the yard, just too hot for it there.

Interesting groups of plants, but somewhat touchy.

I found this article about Illicium mexicanum, I think it is the same specie that I. floridanum. It saids this specie is pretty hardy to ice and heat. 

https://www.nurserymag.com/article/illicium-mexicanum-mexican-star-anise/

 I’ve been watching a specimen at Sebright Gardens in Salem, Oregon, all year. It survived a horrific ice storm in February and several days of unprecedented heat in late June when temperatures soared over 118°F for two days. The photos accompanying this article were taken in mid-September, and the plant looks unfazed. It’s planted in rich, well-drained soil, under a canopy of oak and fir trees, and those are ideal conditions for Illicium mexicanum. There is not a lot of this species in cultivation, but it is hardy to at least 10°F and colder with some protection. 

[Silas_Sancona]

12 hours ago, Sevilla said:

I found this article about Illicium mexicanum, I think it is the same specie that I. floridanum. It saids this specie is pretty hardy to ice and heat. 

https://www.nurserymag.com/article/illicium-mexicanum-mexican-star-anise/

 I’ve been watching a specimen at Sebright Gardens in Salem, Oregon, all year. It survived a horrific ice storm in February and several days of unprecedented heat in late June when temperatures soared over 118°F for two days. The photos accompanying this article were taken in mid-September, and the plant looks unfazed. It’s planted in rich, well-drained soil, under a canopy of oak and fir trees, and those are ideal conditions for Illicium mexicanum. There is not a lot of this species in cultivation, but it is hardy to at least 10°F and colder with some protection. 

It's an interesting species for sure.. One i'd try if back in California .. Hard to say how well it would handle conditions in an ideal spot there, compared to up in Oregon though. Salem is quite different than San Diego.


A couple Clethra sps  from Mexico as well, one of which ( C. pringlei ) has shown -some- cold / heat adaptability outside of it's ideal climate in the Sierra Madre Oriental in Mexico.
  A couple other sps., C. mexicana, and hartwegii  are  ..for the time being.. practically unknown in cultivation but could be a decent plant for moderate areas of CA. / Pac. N.W.  

C. hartwegii  might......  have some heat / drought tolerance, if sourced from the northern most part of it's range ( in Sinaloa )  No clue where seed could be sourced from.

[Sevilla]

I have found a site in Germany that sells plants. If one are interested, let me know and I report how is resulted. 

[Silas_Sancona]

8 hours ago, Sevilla said:

I have found a site in Germany that sells plants. If one are interested, let me know and I report how is resulted. 

   If you try any of them that place might offer, definitely share some updates.

[Sevilla]

14 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

   If you try any of them that place might offer, definitely share some updates.

Yes, I am searching another cool species. This year I bought Zamia integrifola and Cycas tahi.... Now I am searching Cathaya argyrophylla and Pseudotsuga macrocarpa. This las one I thought It be easy, but I havent found any site from UE that has in stock. It is well adapted to mountain mediterranean climate.