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Propagating cycads by leaves?

MattyB

By MattyB
in TROPICAL LOOKING PLANTS - Other Than Palms

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MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Can you proagate a cycad from a cut off frond?  Crazy talk, I say, crazy talk!  uhhhh can you? ???

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

Walter John Grand Master

Walter John

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I cut my finger off once, stuck it in the ground and now I've outgrown myself.

You want answers?  :angry:

I think I'm entitled.   ???

You want answers?  :angry:

I want the truth.  :angry:

You can't handle the truth.  :angry:

F$%#@ it, I think I will go to bed.

Happy Gardening

Cheers,

Wal

Queensland, Australia.

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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Hey Matty, you know what? I've tried this just a few weeks ago, with Encephalartos, and the leaves haven't moved yet, but they are still alive...

I tried this after reading Loran Whitelock's book on Cycads...

Quote:

"At Cycad 99, the fifth international Conference on Cycad biology, there was a report from Durban Botanic Gardens, South Africa (Hello Dennis !), that a successful attempt had been made at producing a cycad from leaf cuttings" (Dalzell 2002, Osborne and Dalzell 1996).

The author reports that a "callus" can develop at the base of the planted leaf sometimes and then eventually roots can be produced.

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Remember what we have been taught in school Matt. There are no stupid questions. The only stupid questions are those that are not asked. And maybe this one.

:)

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Thanks Gileno.  Is that a whole leaf or frond that was planted or just an individual leaflet?

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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(LJG @ May 11 2007,10:48)

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Remember what we have been taught in school Matt. There are no stupid questions. The only stupid questions are those that are not asked. And maybe this one.

:)

Yeah, especially if you have a leaf of E. woodii just lying around.  :;):

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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Sir, if you have a leaf of E. woodii, I would have to ask how you got into my garden!

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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(MattyB @ May 11 2007,14:49)

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Thanks Gileno.  Is that a whole leaf or frond that was planted or just an individual leaflet?

Well, the author mentions another experiment he had conducted himself with entire leaves of E. villosus, also developping calluses after some 3 months and then eventually rooting. Then there's also the propagation by Tissue culture under research today...Maybe someone with a deeper  Botany knowledge could add an opinion too...

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

Gileno Machado Grand Master

Gileno Machado

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(LJG @ May 11 2007,14:59)

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Sir, if you have a leaf of E. woodii, I would have to ask how you got into my garden!

And next time you visit Len's garden remember to bring my souvenir too... :)

Sirinhaém beach, 80 Km south of Recife - Brazil

Tropical oceanic climate, latitude 8° S

Temperature extremes: 25 to 31°C

2000 mm average rainfall, dry summers

MattyB Grand Master

MattyB

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Those damn things are pokey when you try and sneak them out in your pocket.  I may never be able to have kids now.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

LJG Grand Master

LJG

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(Gileno Machado @ May 11 2007,11:05)

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(MattyB @ May 11 2007,14:49)

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Thanks Gileno.  Is that a whole leaf or frond that was planted or just an individual leaflet?

Well, the author mentions another experiment he had conducted himself with entire leaves of E. villosus, also developping calluses after some 3 months and then eventually rooting. Then there's also the propagation by Tissue culture under research today...Maybe someone with a deeper  Botany knowledge could add an opinion too...

Hmmm. Never heard that before. But if it could be done my guess would be it could be done on Villosus since it is an odd ball Encephalartos.

Now I am no botanist, but I do play one online.

Len

Vista, CA (Zone 10a)

Shadowridge Area

"Show me your garden and I shall tell you what you are."

-- Alfred Austin

tropicalb Mentor

tropicalb

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The answer to your question is yes Matty...it is "possible" to propogate a cycad from a leaf....however, i don't know that you would want to invest the time and trouble necessary to accomplish this arduous task.

It's way easier to come out and visit me and say, "Hey Burt, how much you want for that e. whitelockii seedling?".....

For those interested in the technique:

http://www.plantapalm.com/vce/horticulture/McycasCulture.pdf

eastern.nurseries Proficient

eastern.nurseries

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Yes it is possible to grow roots on the base of a cycad leaf . But it is impossible for that callus to produce meristematic tissue, form a new shoot and grow as a normal plant would.

Howeadypsis Mentor

Howeadypsis

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I know you can grow Z Z plant from a leaflet, I have one growing upstairs.

OK so its an Arum but it looks like a Cycad.....;)

Larry Shone in wet and sunny north-east England!  Zone9 ish

Tie two fish together and though they have two tails they cannot swim <>< ><>

Paul S Collaborator

Paul S

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(Wal @ May 11 2007,13:15)

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I cut my finger off once, stuck it in the ground and now I've outgrown myself.

You want answers?  :angry:

I think I'm entitled.   ???

You want answers?  :angry:

I want the truth.  :angry:

You can't handle the truth.  :angry:

F$%#@ it, I think I will go to bed.

Hey, Wal - is that other you the you that is moving in next door to be your perfect neighbour?  

Did your finger grow back?  Maybe it doesn't matter, small price to pay for some intelligent conversation, finally.  Unless it was your bogey finger, of course.

I thought cloning was more complicated but I guess not.  Would it work with toenails?  Maybe I had be careful where I trim them in future.  

I wonder - could I make a me but with better knees?  Mine give me gip these days.  If so, which bit of me do I cut off?

So many questions.

It's a rainy day in England, with nothing on the TV and a wife at work.

'The Essex Riviera'

Southeast England, UK

winter min usually -5C

Summer max usually 35C

Rainfall usually 20" (500mm)

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Matty,

  I'm tired, but thats a different subject..  :)

Anyhoo, I like Burts link article, but here was the article I was refering too :

  http://www.plantapalm.com/Vce/horticulture...erthrowaway.htm

Too late now!  :)

Jon- Burts article looks like it raises some doubt to your statement.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

Carlo Morici Veteran

Carlo Morici

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As far as I have understood, it is not easy to root the cycad leaves. If it happens, the rooted leaves live on for some years and then collapse. They never produce a new apex. Like some species of Aloe.

Carlo

Howeadypsis Mentor

Howeadypsis

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(Paul S @ May 13 2007,14:41)

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It's a rainy day in England, with nothing on the TV and a wife at work.

Oh you got rain too, its been p***ing down all day!

Larry Shone in wet and sunny north-east England!  Zone9 ish

Tie two fish together and though they have two tails they cannot swim <>< ><>

eastern.nurseries Proficient

eastern.nurseries

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Jon- Burts article looks like it raises some doubt to your statement.

 I can't see how when in that article they are referring to adventitious tissue of the stem/ trunk . In actual fact a refined method of this technique is how I propagate and develop variegated cycads.

BS Man about Palms Grand Master

BS Man about Palms

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Jon- Maybe I misread your statement or the article.  If I read right, you might be able to produce a plant from a stem, but not as likely when only using a leaf?

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."   ,  "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips!

eastern.nurseries Proficient

eastern.nurseries

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that's right, you've got it

freekypalmguy Community Regular

freekypalmguy

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(eastern.nurseries @ May 13 2007,15:12)

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Jon- Burts article looks like it raises some doubt to your statement.

 I can't see how when in that article they are referring to adventitious tissue of the stem/ trunk . In actual fact a refined method of this technique is how I propagate and develop variegated cycads.

Hi Jon,

Do you have any pictures of your varigated cycads? I would love to see them.

Thank you,

Matt from Temecula, CA, 9b

Some Pics

Cycads

Temecula.gif

cycadjungle Rising Star

cycadjungle

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The presentation was by Chris Dalzell from Durban. What he was doing was taking full leaves, including a piece of the leafbase and he had average results. Keep in mind that cycads can be propagated by planting leafbases and it is possible that every leafbase can produce a new plant just as you see when a sago produces offsets, so this isn't astounding or unusual. I do not know anyone who has got a growing plant from a leaf without a leafbase (which of course is part of the stem tissue itself)

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