Larry.

They should be OK in that location but a little shade would be better.  As a general rule, croton colors fade more with late afternoon sun.  Southern and western exposures are therefore the least preferred.

Jeff and Dave,

Have either of you been by John Bender's lately?

Ray

Ray,

Its been a while for me, but since you mentioned it I`ll go by today. I heard it was a wreak from the storm

Small landsape job I did 2 weeks ago, Plants from jeff searles nursery

In March it looked pretty rough.  That's the double W effect:  Winter and Wilma.

I bet it looks rough thats the talk, I was in Ocala, FL. during that time.

Ray,

Theres a home next to me in Davie,FL. that has the same crotons that john bender has along with a small collection of palms. Its a long story how that came to be.

Another hybrid named Pink Passion found in North Miami, and yes took cuttings

(Ray, Tampa @ Jul. 26 2006,07:45)

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Larry.

They should be OK in that location but a little shade would be better.  As a general rule, croton colors fade more with late afternoon sun.  Southern and western exposures are therefore the least preferred.

It sounds like theyll be OK here as they face east.  They will get alot of sun early on, but towards late afternoon/evening they will get alot more shade.

Ahh, the Thomas Edison. I know that plant well. With the homeowners permission, I was able to get cuttings last summer, and will have some to offer at my fall open house sale.

   Dave, haven't seen that piture of the Pink Passion in awhile.  Makes me want to "juice" up my plants tommorow with alittle TLC.

Jeff,

Ever grown an 'Inca"?

Ray

Ray,

       Yes I did. I had it in a spot that saw very little water. And because I was very lazy by not adding a sprinkler head, it died earlier this year.  And no, I did.nt have a back-up. I wish you could get down here soon to see the collection in my yard. I have the whole collection from Robert Halgrim's yard planted out. It really looks good. It's just I have so many without names, some really good ones. I'll even give you a Mosaic if you still need one. I think I have  Magnificent, which would be a really good score.

     Andrea and I are coming over in mid Oct. for the croton fest, and will be staying with Judy and Jim Glock.

Jeff,

I'm planning a plant-only trip down there without the fiance this time.  Are you guys going to be around in the mid August time frame?

Ray

Ray,

       Mid August sounds good. When we get closer in time, let me know what week,or days that you have in mind. Also, call me and lets see if we can exchange some crotons. Maybe we can call John B. and drive over to see him, also David McLeans place. I'd like to get out for one day ! Hey, lunch can be on me.

You're on.  I will let you know as the time gets closer but the weekend of August 12 is open.  Hopefully, the h____cane season continues its slow pace.  I can't say the word for fear of jinxing us.

Ray

Jeff,

I finally got an ID on one of the crotons collected in Hawaii.  Harold Lee identified it as "Philippine Red".  The picture of this plant in Dr. Brown's book does the plant a disservice.

Ray

Ray, when is the croton-fest?  Is it members-only - and I think I'd like to join.  Judy gave me a brochure back in March, and I have to admit - the croton bug has bitten hard.

Always loved them, but seeing the many varieties.... well, they're incredible.

My collection so far:  fire (a/k/a mamey) - I've lost count of those - an unknown croton that may be "fantasia," petra, stoplight, and today I added Irene Kingsley.

Wishlist so far:  Gloriosa, Red Thia & Rex (from Croton Society website) and the Thomas Edison looks like a beauty!

(Jeff Searle @ Jul. 27 2006,23:12)

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Ray,

       Mid August sounds good. When we get closer in time, let me know what week,or days that you have in mind. Also, call me and lets see if we can exchange some crotons. Maybe we can call John B. and drive over to see him, also David McLeans place. I'd like to get out for one day ! Hey, lunch can be on me.

Jeff,

You can forget about John Bender his yard is a wreck and he is not interested in crotons anymore. He told me his croton days are over. I Asked him about cuttings and he does not want to cut the few he has left.

(SunnyFl @ Jul. 29 2006,19:43)

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Ray, when is the croton-fest?  Is it members-only - and I think I'd like to join.  Judy gave me a brochure back in March, and I have to admit - the croton bug has bitten hard.

Always loved them, but seeing the many varieties.... well, they're incredible.

My collection so far:  fire (a/k/a mamey) - I've lost count of those - an unknown croton that may be "fantasia," petra, stoplight, and today I added Irene Kingsley.

Wishlist so far:  Gloriosa, Red Thia & Rex (from Croton Society website) and the Thomas Edison looks like a beauty!

Word to the wise, Don`t do it

Ray,

You got a photo of that so called Philippine Red that lee identified for you. Because he`s another one who likes to make up names as he goes.

Can you guys confirm this one as "Karen"?  Thats what it was sold to me as.  I bought a group of them today for some added color out front.

If thats what they called it when you bought it, then thats what it is. Like I said before Crotons have so many different names its hard to keep track of them all. The one you have has been called Fantasia or AFD#5 and now Karen just to name a few.

(Dave Butler @ Jul. 29 2006,21:20)

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If that what they called it when you bought it, then thats what it is. Like I said before Crotons have so many different names its hard to keep track of them all. The one you have has been called Fantasia or AFD and now karen just to name a few.

I guess Ill go with whatever name is most commonly accepted then.

Would that be Fantasia?

(spockvr6 @ Jul. 29 2006,21:29)

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(Dave Butler @ Jul. 29 2006,21:20)

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If that what they called it when you bought it, then thats what it is. Like I said before Crotons have so many different names its hard to keep track of them all. The one you have has been called Fantasia or AFD and now karen just to name a few.

I guess Ill go with whatever name is most commonly accepted then.

Would that be Fantasia?

Thats the name most nurseries down south call it. Fantasia

(Dave Butler @ Jul. 29 2006,21:34)

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Thats the name most nurseries down south call it. Fantasia

Fantasia it is then.

I believe thats also what it tends to be called up here as well.  I am not up on all the Croton lingo but I have certainly heard of that one.

Thats the name most nurseries down south call it. Fantasia

If the "Karen" croton in the photo is also "Fantasia," then mine is something else.  Although the coloration is similar, it looks like a thicker-leaved variety than mine.

(SunnyFl @ Jul. 29 2006,22:37)

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Thats the name most nurseries down south call it. Fantasia

If the "Karen" croton in the photo is also "Fantasia," then mine is something else.  Although the coloration is similar, it looks like a thicker-leaved variety than mine.

Lets see a picture of that plant if possible

Dave,

   Will you be going over to the Croton Fest in Oct.?

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   Well my reply is......I'm so damn addicted to these plants. And......I have seedlings coming up under the mommy plants for the first time. Boy, if I could only come up with another say......Polychrome, Thomas Edison, Prince of Orange,etc., etc.  WOOT, WOOT !

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   Well my reply is......I'm so damn addicted to these plants. And......I have seedlings coming up under the mommy plants for the first time. Boy, if I could only come up with another say......Polychrome, Thomas Edison, Prince of Orange,etc., etc.  WOOT, WOOT !

Jeff,

Your seedlings will never, ever be the same as the parent plant, unless you take a cutting or a airlayer. This has been discussed before, crotons are very unstable and crossed with many other different types crotons that to get a exact plant from seed is highly unlikely. Now what you can do is if those seedlings turn out to be something after 5 years of growth other than green, then you have just another unnamed hybrid. And then you can call it Woot Woot if you like. Hybridizers years ago crossed and named crotons we have today, like polychrome, Thomas Edison, etc. These hybridizers from years past had 100`s of plants and only a few got names the others did not. John Benders collection of crotons in his yard is full of unnamed hybrids along with named hybrids. Is WOOT WOOT a name you gave one of your seedlings, post a picture of it for all of us to see

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Dave,

   Will you be going over to the Croton Fest in Oct.?

Jeff,

What is a croton fest never heard of it before, unless your talking about that handful of croton collectors in Tampa area are they having a cook out again. I don`t think i`ll be going, check out this site for more information on crotons.

http://www.crotonsociety.com

To many visits, try the first of the month

Prince of Orange?  What is that Mr. Searle?

Ray,

I`ll try to answer that for you, Prince of Orange is the son of King of Red

There is a Red King you know.  I think it's a Rutherford creation.

Ray, Is this it

Looks a little like General MacArthur but with more veining.

Thats the trick, if the veining don`t match or stem color is different or even leaf shape is not the same then is a different plant.

This leaf found a new home

Darn thing want to grow, its got roots

This time of year, they'll root anywhere.

(Ray @ Tampa,Jul. 31 2006,14:11)

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Looks a little like General MacArthur but with more veining.

Ray,

Gen. MacArthur does not have that same leaf shape.

This is Big red, not looking so red bad photo new green leafs