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On 9/4/2023 at 10:47 PM, Tom in Tucson said:

These images are by far the best looking, and of the highest quality of any I've seen while trying to find out what they eventually can look like in cultivation. Bravo!

The only images of anything besides the ones like the seedlings I just bought, are from shots of them in their native habitat. Those are OK, but clearly don't do the species justice. I said that I'd post images of my new plants, but I think that images of my tiny seedlings will certainly be anticlimactic after viewing yours. :sick:

Hi 102˚, Lo 70˚

Thanks Tom, I’d enjoy seeing your seedlings. 

Paul Gallop

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7 hours ago, Gallop said:

Thanks Tom, I’d enjoy seeing your seedlings. 

Okay will do, but in a way it will be like viewing a little tug boat after admiring the full majesty of the Titanic.

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Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014

formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego

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20 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Nice Tom.  Citrus pots??  Just trying to gauge the size.

Sorry, I forgot to include anything for scale. Both of these seedlings had a long tuberous root that just barely squeezed into these 3.5" x 8.5" pots. If you look at the original image size on my web page you can see the exposed roots on the one on the right. If I had a little larger pots I would have used them (10").

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@Gallop, @Tom in Tucson

Here she is. The latest flush has a twist in the leaf & starting to get more blue!

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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4 hours ago, Jubaea_James760 said:

@Gallop, @Tom in Tucson

Here she is. The latest flush has a twist in the leaf & starting to get more blue!

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Thanks for taking the time to post these images. Do you have any idea of it's age?

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@Tom in Tucson, no idea, sorry. I bought it 2 years ago. I get 1 flush a year so far. My guess atleast 10 years old. 

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Hesperia,Southern CA (High Desert area). Zone 8b

Elevation; about 3600 ft.

Lowest temp. I can expect each year 19/20*f lowest since I've been growing palms *13(2007) Hottest temp. Each year *106

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6 hours ago, DippyD said:

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Still a little way to go on that girl.

I'm still checking morning, mid-day and night.  This was yesterday... so close.

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33 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Still a little way to go on that girl.

I'm still checking morning, mid-day and night.  This was yesterday... so close.

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Yeah she poked her head up late. First time cone on this plant but she’s a she. 

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13 hours ago, Gallop said:

Those are nice Tom. Put those in the ground and they will take off!

I will plant them in the ground next Spring, assuming the roots have filled the pots. I want a larger and healthier root system first. Thanks for the compliment, and advice.

Hi 96˚, Lo 70˚ - rain most of the day - 3/4"

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formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego

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The active flushes progressing right now.

Dioon mejia

Encephalartos horridus

Encephalartos cupidus

Encephalartos eugene-maraisii

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9 hours ago, DippyD said:

Couple mug shots from today…. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Looks like one of those Chemnick crosses. What’s the parents of this guy? 
 

-dale 

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12 hours ago, Billeb said:

Looks like one of those Chemnick crosses. What’s the parents of this guy? 
 

-dale 

This is a regular arenarius as far i know. It does get some blasted heat and full all day sun. 

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3 hours ago, amh said:

A seed grown coontie is flushing, and coning for the first time. Does this look like a male?

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I would guess female.

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22 hours ago, Tom in Tucson said:

I would guess female.

Hi 101˚, Lo 66˚

I do believe you are correct. 

Now, if only she had a beau; maybe next year.

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54 minutes ago, Gallop said:

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Very nice!!!  Is this one Bifida or Micholitzii?  Supposedly I have both, but I have never figured out the difference between the two species.

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41 minutes ago, Merlyn said:

Very nice!!!  Is this one Bifida or Micholitzii?  Supposedly I have both, but I have never figured out the difference between the two species.

That is C multifrondis x swansong (tropophylla x micholitzii) 

 

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2 hours ago, Gallop said:

That is C multifrondis x swansong (tropophylla x micholitzii) 

 

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Interesting name for the Cycas micholitzii × tropophylla hybrid.  I am not holding my breath for success but did put multifrondis pollen on my Cycas micholitzii × tropohylla this summer.

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7 hours ago, Tracy said:

Interesting name for the Cycas micholitzii × tropophylla hybrid.  I am not holding my breath for success but did put multifrondis pollen on my Cycas micholitzii × tropohylla this summer.

I would think you’ll get a decent set of seed. They seem fairly easy to pollinate. I used pollen from my C multifrondis x swansong on a couple C panzi x multifrondis. The cones are full of what looks like fully developed seed.  They should drop in another month or so, I’ll cut a few open to see if I see any signs of embryos. 

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4 minutes ago, Gallop said:

I would think you’ll get a decent set of seed. They seem fairly easy to pollinate. I used pollen from my C multifrondis x swansong on a couple C panzi x multifrondis. The cones are full of what looks like fully developed seed.  They should drop in another month or so, I’ll cut a few open to see if I see any signs of embryos. 

Wanted to mention there is a story that goes with the Swansong hybrid It used to be on the Redlands nursery website not sure it’s still there to read. 

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31 minutes ago, Gallop said:

Wanted to mention there is a story that goes with the Swansong hybrid It used to be on the Redlands nursery website not sure it’s still there to read. 

An avid Cycad collector in Florida made this hybrid, it was his last dance, his last set of seed he offered the general public. He brought seed to Redlands nursery and mentioned they wouldn’t be seeing him again. He disappeared, he became a recluse. 

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On 9/21/2023 at 4:40 PM, Gallop said:

I would think you’ll get a decent set of seed. They seem fairly easy to pollinate. I used pollen from my C multifrondis x swansong on a couple C panzi x multifrondis. The cones are full of what looks like fully developed seed.  They should drop in another month or so, I’ll cut a few open to see if I see any signs of embryos. 

What is the time frame from pollination to your fully developed seed?  My triplets below. 

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Seed typically grows to size in 2 months. Fully developed seed around 8-9 months. You should be able to pull a scale back and see developed seeds. The small seed didn’t get pollinated. Larger seed look good.FA21D43D-A78C-40DB-B94A-C144274FDCCE.thumb.jpeg.db92dd2026254b7c2d427ea87468041e.jpeg

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So I have 5 plants from seed I purchased as Debaoensis x Swansong.  However, I'm thinking this was most likely multifrondis and not debaoensis.

Anyway, what's interesting is two of the plants have single split leaflets along the rachis while three of the plants have two sets of split leaflets.

Hoping these start coning in the next year or so.

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1 hour ago, Scott W said:

So I have 5 plants from seed I purchased as Debaoensis x Swansong.  However, I'm thinking this was most likely multifrondis and not debaoensis.

Anyway, what's interesting is two of the plants have single split leaflets along the rachis while three of the plants have two sets of split leaflets.

Hoping these start coning in the next year or so.

Single splits

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Scott you should end up seeing 3 sets of splits along the rachis. 

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17 minutes ago, Gallop said:

Scott you should end up seeing 3 sets of splits along the rachis. 

Well that would definitely be interesting look then, even different than my Multifrondis which has a five leaf split per leaf set.

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4 hours ago, Gallop said:

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Any names (and info.) for these?

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8 hours ago, Tom in Tucson said:

Any names (and info.) for these?

Hi 98°, Lo 64°

1st picture is C multifrondis x swansong (tropophyla x micholitzii)

A couple pictures of various Ceratozamia, Chamberlainii, Kuesteriana, fuscoviridis, a few unknowns. 

Picture of cycas flushing over Ceratozamia chamberlainii is C panz x multifrondis, a bit stressed out from coning event. It’s holding a large cone full of seed. 

Last pic Dioon vovidesii “mazatan”

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